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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by ferrugem View Post
    -- It would be much easier to disconect them from the electricity and water and let them hand their country on their own. BUT the world will say we unhumanitarian.
    The question of whether Palestinians have a country or not would throw up a whole load of problems for Israel. It's because Gaza and the West Bank aren't classed as countries that Israel can use weasel words when they are accused of not complying with the Geneva Conventions.

    As justabubba posted a while back - that would really throw the fact that Israel is doing to others what was once done to them and why in some quarters there is a belief that Israel can be held to a higher standard than say North Korea etc.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    What exactly do you mean that they're doing to others what was done to them?

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Do you believe that humans do not have the right to achieve beyond there potential, to live a life that is beyond "just surviving", to live lives free of any unjust restrictions imposed on them that could deter there right to the pursuit of happiness? If you are an American, i am, to be quiet frank with you, shocked by this view you have, that Palestinians "have it good". What you say is contrary to your nationhoods basic values, values that i have come to admire and aspire to.
    Nobody is preventing the Palestinians from achieving their full potential but themselves. Oh, I don't think they have it good. I think they have it bad. Very bad. I also think Israel has the right to exist in peace as a Jewish nation, free from aggression by its neighbors. Until the Palestinians and the rest of the Arab nations are willing to accept that, I have very little concern for their complaints.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Sorry, unless things have changed since the links were posted by myself and Alexa last week – there were reports of violence, beatings and electric shock on the other boats.
    Only the activists who were on those ships say that.
    There is no real evidence to back that up, it's most likely as made up as the claim that soldiers were not attacked or that they came on board shooting.
    By simply stating that those activists' words are facts, you make yourself an enemy of rationality.
    Yeah, and in a perverse way (as I said in my previous) that raised the blockade back into conciousness in a way that previous flotillas failed. Israel previously allowed other flotillas to get through and because they were peaceful – there was no international outrage.
    Correct, but irrelavent to my argument.
    And how do you prove this? Amnesty and the UN aren't just giving away the aid and sitting around in Gaza because they have nothing better to do?
    Neither Amnesty nor the UN have ever proven the contrary.
    Amnesty has only claimed that 80% of Gazans depend on humanitarian aid - that can't possibly base the assumption that they are 'forced' to depend on it.
    Hahahaha! Why do you quote one bit and then leave all the pertinent bits out?
    Because that was enough to prove your wrongness and expose you on a lie.
    You're trying to say Israel gives aid to Gaza? Source please! If you cannot prove it Ill await your apology and recognition it's you acting dumb.
    I thought we've already reached the agreement that Israel provides 15,000 tons of aid.
    After all it was you who stated that the UN says it's only a quarter of what's needed.
    I am quite surprised that you lack the knowledge over such simple matters.
    In a typical week the IDF coordinates the transfer of hundreds of trucks containing about 15,000 tons of supplies.
    http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/About+the+...5-May-2010.htm
    I'll agree it's all pathetic if you can prove as you claim that Israel actually gives aid to Gaza as opposed to what I've been saying which is “Israel allows in”.
    Admit it to be pathetic then.
    No, I said “Gaza” and posted this link - Gaza tunnels and I remember making a comment about a cow being brought in. You later said something about a goat.

    I do remember one post where I mistakenly said “Israel” but all my links are about the tunnels between Egypt and Gaza. You must be fixated on that one post and ignoring all the others.
    You said that Israel restricts movement within and outside of the Gaza Strip. I have in return explained that the restrictions come to stop militants from getting in/out of the strip.
    You've then made the ridiculous claim that they can go into Israel if they want to, using the tunnels.
    I'm moving on – I'm not searching back through 139 pages for you. There are bigger fish to fry.
    In other words, you've just recalled that it was someone else who've posted that report and have decided to let it go.
    They're not guided rockets – they simply go up and then come back down. They're psychological in that nobody can tell where they will land – no even Hamas. As a rocket with a relatively small payload their effect is more psychological than actual. I agree dozens have died – but when you consider some 6-7000 plus have been launched – that's a poor return. And before anyone thinks I'm saying “if only Hamas had better rockets....”
    The credit for the minimal deaths amount goes entirely to Israel for the billions of dollars it has invested in security systems that nearly fully prevent such deaths.
    Throw thousands of unguided rockets into London, and whether they hit near the Big Ben or near the Backingham Palace, you're still bound to get hundreds of deaths.
    Nice. A nuclear weapon usually (if we're talking US / Israeli / UK etc) has a guidance system that takes it to a predesignated target. I'm surprised I have to explain this.
    What does that have to do with anything? Are you even trying to understand my statements?
    You were claiming that the rockets are not "killing weapons" because not many Israelis die from them.
    I have in return made an analogy to a nuclear weapon that is being taken out in the air while not endagering anyone.
    Guided or not, nuclear weapons have the potentiality to cause millions of deaths. Claiming that because the nuke was shot down it is hence not a killing weapon is extremely retarded, and that is the analogy I've made with the rockets not killing many Israelis, because of the Israeli security systems.
    And is still an extension of economic and welfare blockades that began in 2001...
    Simply source your claims and spare me the headache.
    We'll see what aid Israel gives to Gaza shall we?
    I've posted a source earlier.
    Insufficiently I'm afraid. However, I'm not translating them for you – you were the one claiming you could rubbish everything they said in Israeli Supreme Court..
    I don't think that I've left any serious claim they've made towards the illegality of the blockade untouched.
    I believe they were all debated about.
    Good article however it's a report on the views of the law firm “Norton Rose” and by the partner Philip Roche. I've already posted a while ago a link to claims on both sides by international lawyers at different law firms and universities that it is undecided. This is one of those quoted in my earlier link.
    Reuters is one of the best news sources there are.
    It was claiming that their legal experts have all neglected your claim that the interception was done illegally, and that there is no doubt currently that Israel was completely within its legitimate rights.
    Unfortunately you cannot simply admit being wrong, certainly not about Israel, so we have this comment questioning the people behind the source that a moment ago was declared as neutral by you. (and it really is neutral)
    "The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis."

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    What exactly do you mean that they're doing to others what was done to them?
    I think you fully know what he's talking about.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    What exactly do you mean that they're doing to others what was done to them?
    Don't get your knickers in a twist - I'm talking about inhumane treatment, not the holocaust. I don't want to derail the thread - I could post hundreds of stories if maltreatment of Palestinians and I would also (by my nature) try to post the same number of stories of maltreatment of Israelis at Palestinian / Arab hands.

    Nice to see you're still following the thread though.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    From your article - "Israel maintains an ongoing humanitarian corridor for the transfer of food and humanitarian supplies to Gaza, used by internationally recognized organizations including the United Nations and the Red Cross."

    That aid is not supplied by Israel - it is supplied by "internationally recognized organizations including the United Nations and the Red Cross"

    I'll get back to the rest of your post once you can prove what you claimed - i.e. that Israel provides the aid.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    From your article - "Israel maintains an ongoing humanitarian corridor for the transfer of food and humanitarian supplies to Gaza, used by internationally recognized organizations including the United Nations and the Red Cross."

    That aid is not supplied by Israel - it is supplied by "internationally recognized organizations including the United Nations and the Red Cross"

    I'll get back to the rest of your post once you can prove what you claimed - i.e. that Israel provides the aid.
    I thought you were referring to aid that is supplied through Israel.

    Anyway, what about the electricity? You yourself have given a link to an article that says Israel and Egypt supply the Gaza Strip with electricity.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I thought you were referring to aid that is supplied through Israel.

    Anyway, what about the electricity? You yourself have given a link to an article that stays Israel and Egypt supply the Gaza Strip with electricity.
    Hahahahahaha!

    Is it so hard to say you were wrong? Anyhow - I'm going to "thank you" for giving me the biggest laugh of the day.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post
    Nobody is preventing the Palestinians from achieving their full potential but themselves. Oh, I don't think they have it good. I think they have it bad. Very bad. I also think Israel has the right to exist in peace as a Jewish nation, free from aggression by its neighbors. Until the Palestinians and the rest of the Arab nations are willing to accept that, I have very little concern for their complaints.
    I disagree with you. Hamas recieved 44.45% of the vote. How about the other 55.55% of the vote who voted for moderate alternatives? Do you honestly believe Palestinians are preventing there own full potentials, or a smaller group of Palestinians deciding the fate of over half of the entire population in Gaza? And what bases for stopping terrorism or preventing Hamas from existing does the blockade serve? It does nothing but plunge the Gaza strip into more poverty, and the grip of Hamas has been strengthened by this flawed foreign policy.
    Believe me, such a small region with a relatively crippled economy in no way poses a threat to the sovereign or existence of the Jewish nation - Iran does and Iran alone, yet the greater magnitude and aggression of Israeli policy is concentrated in Gaza rather than those idiots in the East who threaten the existence of Israel and the West - they do not even contemplate entertaining the idea of asking Israel to return to pre-1967 borders, but the actual removal of Israel to begin with.

    Until i see some evidence these heavy handed approaches work, im not budging.
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