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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    It's not they have a relatively high GDP Per Capita.
    And the price of basic commodities renders that high GDP useless. It would have to be at Norwegian levels to even give Palestinians something CLOSE to a comfortable living.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    I agree, but aren't the Palestinians biting the hand that feeds then so to speak. What I am saying is that Israel isn't the provocateur in this conflicts. All the Palestinians have to do is sit down and discuss peace, Israel has already shown that it's willing to concede up to 90 percent of the Palestinians demands.
    Can we at least set up the necessary conditions for peace first? We need to take actions to bring them to the negotiation table yet we seem to be doing the opposite and make out we will concede "90% of there demands" because we know damn well they wont sit at the table with us to begin with.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Can we at least set up the necessary conditions for peace first? We need to take actions to bring them to the negotiation table yet we seem to be doing the opposite and make out we will concede "90% of there demands" because we know damn well they wont sit at the table with us to begin with.
    I agree but, how many times to we have to set it up, besides it's the U.N. should really be running this show I see no real motivation on their behalf. Although your right I do think the world community needs to step up but in a fair and balanced way.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    I agree but, how many times to we have to set it up, besides it's the U.N. should really be running this show I see no real motivation on their behalf. Although your right I do think the world community needs to step up but in a fair and balanced way.
    The UN is an organization established to make Western powers look like they are running a fair monopoly. They are irrelevant, powerless, and a complete waste of money. Its the job of Israel and Palestine alone to come together.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    And the price of basic commodities renders that high GDP useless. It would have to be at Norwegian levels to even give Palestinians something CLOSE to a comfortable living.
    Black market prices are high, but not impossibly high. That's the nature of economics. On the other hand, why should Palestinians care about things like employment, statehood and independence when they have everything literally handed to them?

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post
    Black market prices are high, but not impossibly high. That's the nature of economics. On the other hand, why should Palestinians care about things like employment, statehood and independence when they have everything literally handed to them?
    Do you believe that humans do not have the right to achieve beyond there potential, to live a life that is beyond "just surviving", to live lives free of any unjust restrictions imposed on them that could deter there right to the pursuit of happiness? If you are an American, i am, to be quiet frank with you, shocked by this view you have, that Palestinians "have it good". What you say is contrary to your nationhoods basic values, values that i have come to admire and aspire to.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    The UN is an organization established to make Western powers look like they are running a fair monopoly. They are irrelevant, powerless, and a complete waste of money. Its the job of Israel and Palestine alone to come together.
    Again I agree but, the U.S can basically offer the U.N. A deal they can not refuse.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    Again I agree but, the U.S can basically offer the U.N. A deal they can not refuse.
    Such as? I can't see Obama risking whatever it is you have in mind, by doing it. If you loose the support of the Israeli lobby, your not going to get very far in the elections.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post
    I'm only going to do this once. From now on you can fish for your own links, as you're so fond of saying.
    Huh?

    You've made 22 posts and already accusing me of something you think I've said? Could you post me where I've asked for people to find links? If you're speaking of Apocalypse - I was referring to something HE posted.

    Otherwise, if someone makes a claim that is either disputable or could be informative, I would ask for a link to help inform myself. You made a claim - YOUR job to back it up, not mine to do your research for you!

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post
    Abbas bans Hamas police force - Los Angeles Times

    Obviously, the civilian police force defends the Hamas government.
    Not the same as you originally claimed and the 2007 article seems to be about an internal power struggle over who controls the police.

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post
    -- How very convenient for the electorate. Ever heard the phrase, "of the people, by the people, for the people?"
    Yes, something to do with Lincoln I believe - I'm not American and I tend to stay away from US internal political threads as I know little about your constitution and I've not had many intellectual / informative debates with many US posters regarding their political system. (That's not to say all).

    Relevance to the Middle East please?

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    I agree but, how many times to we have to set it up, besides it's the U.N. should really be running this show I see no real motivation on their behalf. Although your right I do think the world community needs to step up but in a fair and balanced way.
    well.. Israel gave them lands, one of the most important ground, one of the most fetilized area of all southern Israel, were given to them in 2005, Israel free their prosiners in exchange for dead Israeli civilians, Israel provides them electricity, Israel eve provides them water.
    Where the motivasion ah..?
    It would be much easier to disconect them from the electricity and water and let them hand their country on their own. BUT the world will say we unhumanitarian.

    Some words of wisdome, by FOXnews channel:

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