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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I find it nearly inhuman the way those Turks are taking pride of those animals of theirs attacking, lynching, and trying to kill soldiers that weren't fighting back, and outnumbering them 6 to 1.
    Not to mention all the illiberal antisemitic leftists on political boards who follow suit.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

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    Alexa, soldiers were in a risk of life, that was fully necessary.
    I for one am not going to apologize for my country killing militants.
    If they were innocent civilians I'd understand, but the commandos have committed a very selective fire and have reported that the only ones they've wounded or killed are the ones from the party that have attackd them, and that's completely just and moral.
    In fact, they should have shot to kill, considering those people were attempting to take their lives.

    Read this article:
    IDF troops shown bleeding in Turkish press - Israel News, Ynetnews
    They were shot multiple times at close range. 30 bullets in 9 people .

    Gaza flotilla activists were shot in head at close range | World news | The Guardian

    In addition people are saying that 4 injured were thrown overboard.

    They say 4 people but I understand 3 are missing. In the heat of the moment 3 could look like 4

    'Israelis threw 4 injured into the sea'

    You can hear in this previous video Israel telling the Arion they WILL fire on them (about 15 minutes through)

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    I appreciate that Israeli soldiers are injured. I do not like anyone being injured and killed. 9 civilians were killed. What I said was that I think Europe in general has a different psychological reaction to things of this nature as you can see by our anger when police get heavy at for instance G8 summits.

    If Israel had done nothing to provoke these people, who admittedly ought to have been like previous ships and not subject to provocation even when told they are about to be fired on...but if Israel had not provoked and/or fired on them first, then simply seeing them on the ship with their wooden battons and pipes imo ought to have been cause to stop for a bit and rethink. Not necessarily to let them in to Gaza but at least to talk to the other members of the flotilla who did not act in this way to get the situation changed.

    The situation is far from clear yet.

    Turkish people are very angry at the moment.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    Turkish people are very angry at the moment.
    Rightfully so. But we will always be having people on one side saying "terrorists" and on the other saying "aid activists". I for one know that the insan vakfi thing is not a jihadist organization and is not extremist. But as i said, mistakes where made from both sides on that flotilla. Things will blow over eventually, America just needs to apply pressure to the governments of both Israel and Turkey to avoid this ongoing crisis which is battering our friendship.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Rightfully so. But we will always be having people on one side saying "terrorists" and on the other saying "aid activists". I for one know that the insan vakfi thing is not a jihadist organization and is not extremist. But as i said, mistakes where made from both sides on that flotilla. Things will blow over eventually, America just needs to apply pressure to the governments of both Israel and Turkey to avoid this ongoing crisis which is battering our friendship.
    They did try to kill the soldiers, so I can't really see what part of the soldiers' actions was not justified.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    They did try to kill the soldiers, so I can't really see what part of the soldiers' actions was not justified.
    Quiet right, but the entire thing should not have happened. Israel is clever enough to devise a plan which can be more effective and constructive than a complete blockade, same applies to Egypt.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    They were shot multiple times at close range. 30 bullets in 9 people .

    Gaza flotilla activists were shot in head at close range | World news | The Guardian

    In addition people are saying that 4 injured were thrown overboard.

    They say 4 people but I understand 3 are missing. In the heat of the moment 3 could look like 4

    'Israelis threw 4 injured into the sea'

    You can hear in this previous video Israel telling the Arion they WILL fire on them (about 15 minutes through)

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    I appreciate that Israeli soldiers are injured. I do not like anyone being injured and killed. 9 civilians were killed. What I said was that I think Europe in general has a different psychological reaction to things of this nature as you can see by our anger when police get heavy at for instance G8 summits.

    If Israel had done nothing to provoke these people, who admittedly ought to have been like previous ships and not subject to provocation even when told they are about to be fired on...but if Israel had not provoked and/or fired on them first, then simply seeing them on the ship with their wooden battons and pipes imo ought to have been cause to stop for a bit and rethink. Not necessarily to let them in to Gaza but at least to talk to the other members of the flotilla who did not act in this way to get the situation changed.

    The situation is far from clear yet.

    Turkish people are very angry at the moment.
    My goodness -- if the Iranian state propaganda apparatus tells you something, you better snap to attention!
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Quiet right, but the entire thing should not have happened. Israel is clever enough to devise a plan which can be more effective and constructive than a complete blockade, same applies to Egypt.
    Israel is in a pickle in regards to it defense, here is IMO a good oped piece;
    In defense of Israel - BostonHerald.com

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Quiet right, but the entire thing should not have happened. Israel is clever enough to devise a plan which can be more effective and constructive than a complete blockade, same applies to Egypt.
    Israel's mistake was in thinking the activists would offer them tea and cakes. Were it not for the obvious political implication, Israel should hang the commander of that mission. IDF soldiers overcome by clubs and knives? Paint ball guns, OMFG what an embarrassment. The commandos should have led with stun grenades and tear gas before they even set foot on the ship.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    The plot thickens.....


    "In another development on Sunday, a senior Iranian military figure said the country's elite Revolutionary Guards were ready to escort aid flotillas to Gaza if ordered to by Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

    "The Revolutionary Guards' naval forces are fully prepared to escort freedom and peace flotillas carrying humanitarian aid from all over the world to the oppressed people of Gaza," Ali Shirazi, Ayatollah Khamenei's naval representative, told Mehr news agency."

    BBC News - Israel 'to reject international ship raid inquiry'



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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    The plot thickens.....


    "In another development on Sunday, a senior Iranian military figure said the country's elite Revolutionary Guards were ready to escort aid flotillas to Gaza if ordered to by Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

    "The Revolutionary Guards' naval forces are fully prepared to escort freedom and peace flotillas carrying humanitarian aid from all over the world to the oppressed people of Gaza," Ali Shirazi, Ayatollah Khamenei's naval representative, told Mehr news agency."

    BBC News - Israel 'to reject international ship raid inquiry'.
    Taking advantage of the situation!

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