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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Are yoiu being paid to write this stuff?
    what did he get wrong?
    is his factual presentation going to make life difficult for those hired by the israeli government to perform damage control on internet forums?
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Unrelated, yet seems a bit disturbing...out of all youtube news videos, why does Google News use Aljazeera on a domestic u.s. issue?
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what did he get wrong?
    is his factual presentation going to make life difficult for those hired by the israeli government to perform damage control on internet forums?
    "Factual presentation" is very debatable. The event has become an international story with a lot of agendas in play. The Turkish government is trying to define Israel and their actions as negatively as possible. To question the Turkish reported details/reports is not out of reason....


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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

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    Why are we still talking about this? Don't you know there are more important things to discuss.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    No, I call it a bloody execution style killing when they shoot someone in the head 4 time at close range.
    I would have to agree particularly as the passengers did not have guns. It does appear that a few people got onto the fated ship whose attitude was not appropriate for a peace convoy. This went against the stipulations of Free Gaza and is a pity. However was this bloodshed necessary. I am less than sure. There is no evidence at all that anyone on the boats were terrorists. As the boats passengers did not possess firearms and the vast majority were completely peaceful, the amount of violence seems unjustified. First, don't go onboard when the situation is as it is. Find another way to sort the problem out.

    My guess particularly with the way Israel was talking before the incident is that she was ready for confrontation, particularly with the Turkish boat. I hear too many stories from other boats that they could see Israeli's firing at it before they got on. There is also the problem of medics being handcuffed rather than allowed to attend to those who were critically injured and later died.

    It should also be pointed out that people protesting about Israel's action goes along with how we would act in our own country if we believed our own police had gone over the top.

    Do checks on G8 summets. Indeed when the UK had an inquiry into the action of some of it's police, they did answer that they were 'up for it'.

    The attacks by the passengers with the wood has still not been properly explained. If, as is being reported it was a response to Israel firing on the boat before they boarded it might be understandable as that is how some people would react, though on this sort of mission total passive action despite provocation is what ought to be the case, even if this results in your death.

    There is also the problem of the beatings on other ships.

    Again, this would be the same reaction if something similar happened in my own country and indeed I think in most of Europe. There possibly is a cultural difference in that Israel public opinion is different to the rest of us and to be blunt, killing is more acceptable.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    but when you get beat up with metal pipes, I would love to see you take it like a human being, getting your arms broken and being thrown offboard =]

    I hear that soliders that were knocked out and came back from being knocked out they got beat up again the second they got back up

    I am in no way saying all the people on the boats were terrorists, far from it, I think that a group of actual terrorists just got into the boats to turn it into what it is...

    Also I dont trust 100% of what "activists" say, cause they have a political agenda here, and they know they wont get any **** even if they are proven wrong, cause thats how the world works.
    Israel on the other hand has just about everything to lose if it lies here..

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyMcCool View Post
    but when you get beat up with metal pipes, I would love to see you take it like a human being, getting your arms broken and being thrown offboard =]
    When you are shot at before boarding? I agree that fighting is not a part of peaceful protest.

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    I hear that soliders that were knocked out and came back from being knocked out they got beat up again the second they got back up
    Clearly that is not good. A lot of the argument is concerned with two issues = did Israel fire live ammunition or ammunition that people believed was live before she boarded as many people both on that ship and on others are reporting and second, why did Israel descend onto a ship from helicopters if she could see people on top with wooden or steel battens.


    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyMcCool View Post

    I am in no way saying all the people on the boats were terrorists, far from it, I think that a group of actual terrorists just got into the boats to turn it into what it is...
    I don;t think there is any evidence that anyone on board was a terrorist. That some people had a hateful attitude towards Israel, which is not in the spirit of a peace convoy, yes, but terrorists, no.


    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyMcCool View Post

    Also I dont trust 100% of what "activists" say, cause they have a political agenda here, and they know they wont get any **** even if they are proven wrong, cause thats how the world works.
    Israel on the other hand has just about everything to lose if it lies here..

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    Both Israel and the Activists have an agenda. Both. As most activists were genuine peace activists it would be hoped and expected that their interest would be the truth - otherwise their credibility is lost.

    Israel is the one with all the information taken from phones , laptops and so on. That is the difficulty. We never will really know what happened. We can only go by what is said.

    That being said, my point that even if the situation was as Israel says that she did not fire live ammo beforehand, it is difficult to understand why she boarded at that particular time and in that particular way if she did not want a confrontation.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Latest photos of the beaten to almost death soldiers by the "activists" from a turkish site:

    İsrail'in sildiği Fotoğraflar / 1 - Hürriyet

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    I would have to agree particularly as the passengers did not have guns. It does appear that a few people got onto the fated ship whose attitude was not appropriate for a peace convoy. This went against the stipulations of Free Gaza and is a pity. However was this bloodshed necessary. I am less than sure. There is no evidence at all that anyone on the boats were terrorists. As the boats passengers did not possess firearms and the vast majority were completely peaceful, the amount of violence seems unjustified. First, don't go onboard when the situation is as it is. Find another way to sort the problem out.
    Alexa, soldiers were in a risk of life, that was fully necessary.
    I for one am not going to apologize for my country killing militants.
    If they were innocent civilians I'd understand, but the commandos have committed a very selective fire and have reported that the only ones they've wounded or killed are the ones from the party that have attackd them, and that's completely just and moral.
    In fact, they should have shot to kill, considering those people were attempting to take their lives.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by ferrugem View Post
    Latest photos of the beaten to almost death soldiers by the "activists" from a turkish site:

    İsrail'in sildiği Fotoğraflar / 1 - Hürriyet
    I find it nearly inhuman the way those Turks are taking pride of those animals of theirs attacking, lynching, and trying to kill soldiers that weren't fighting back, and outnumbering them 6 to 1.
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