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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    Did the commandos ask, "Permission to come aboard Captain?"
    I have no idea, but nothing obliges them to ask that.
    It's not like in the movies.

    The captain was warned however to stop a couple of times before the interception took place.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    This inversion of the truth so many propagandists are offering is downright obscene.
    What's obscene is the denial of passage of building materials to allow the Gazans to rebuild their homes. Proof positive that the Israelis are clearly anti-cementic*!

    *thanks to Jeremy Hardy

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    This inversion of the truth so many propagandists are offering is downright obscene.
    This accusation can be a two way street, video's speak volumes and a lack of video assumes volumes.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Here's another passage from Reuters:
    CAN ISRAEL USE FORCE WHEN INTERCEPTING SHIPS?

    Under international law it can use force when boarding a ship.

    "If force is disproportionate it would be a violation of the key tenets of the use of force," said Commander James Kraska, professor of international law at the U.S. Naval War College.

    Israeli authorities said marines who boarded the Turkish vessel Mavi Marmara opened fire in self-defense after activists clubbed and stabbed them and snatched some of their weapons.

    Legal experts say proportional force does not mean that guns cannot be used by forces when being attacked with knives.

    "But there has got to be a relationship between the threat and response," Kraska said.

    The use of force may also have other repercussions.

    "While the full facts need to emerge from a credible and transparent investigation, from what is known now, it appears that Israel acted within its legal rights," said J. Peter Pham, a strategic adviser to U.S. and European governments.

    "However, not every operation that the law permits is necessarily prudent from the strategic point of view."
    Q&A: Is Israel's naval blockade of Gaza legal? | Reuters
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    What's obscene is the denial of passage of building materials to allow the Gazans to rebuild their homes. Proof positive that the Israelis are clearly anti-cementic*!

    *thanks to Jeremy Hardy

    Just thought we should take the ire down a notch or two
    I thought this was more in line with BP's profile?

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Well, my husband is a seaman. If the commandos did not follow peaceful procedures, by definition the boarding was not peaceful. The Turks on board the ship were not peaceful either but they were behaving violently defensive. To suggest that the armed, trained Commandos were innocent victims is illogical. The only question is how the Mossad or the I.D.F. could be so incompetent/unprepared- dropping these Commandos one by one in a hostile environment and expectthere would be no bloodshed?!

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Yes I do understand the rules of Blockades, but in regards to the Flotilla and possible Maritime laws violated on their behalf, such as aggressive behavior towards other ships at sea, injuries to their passengers, flying a false flag, possible smuggling and a whole myriad of other possible violations. I am not by any stretch of the imagination a sea lawyer but, just curious.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    Well, my husband is a seaman. If the commandos did not follow peaceful procedures, by definition the boarding was not peaceful. The Turks on board the ship were not peaceful either but they were behaving violently defensive. To suggest that the armed, trained Commandos were innocent victims is illogical. The only question is how the Mossad or the I.D.F. could be so incompetent/unprepared- dropping these Commandos one by one in a hostile environment and expectthere would be no bloodshed?!
    The boarding was done in full accordance with international law, as Reuters news agency states here.
    To suggest that the armed, violent Turks that have attacked the commandos (Who have only responded with live fire after there was a threat to their lives) were somehow victims is illogical.

    And yes, as you're stating here the most popular question among Israelis is how come the IDF wasn't ready for a violent confrontation.
    They should have had the intelligence to know that the flotila was carrying violent protesters that would try and lynch and murder the soldiers, and have therefore came equipped with assault rifles and not paintball guns.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    Yes I do understand the rules of Blockades, but in regards to the Flotilla and possible Maritime laws violated on their behalf, such as aggressive behavior towards other ships at sea, injuries to their passengers, flying a false flag, possible smuggling and a whole myriad of other possible violations. I am not by any stretch of the imagination a sea lawyer but, just curious.
    Are you speaking about possible violations from the Flotila and its crews?
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Are you speaking about possible violations from the Flotila and its crews?
    absolutely

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