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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

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    Doesn't mean both are right.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

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    Turkey has officially fallen off the deep end

    Erdogan: Hamas not a terrorist group

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    Turkish PM slams Israel for "slaughtering" 19-year-old on ship.
    I always thought Hamas meant "Muslim Brotherhood." Or some crap like that. Like here in America if you say "Ah that guy is part of the deciples." One would assume deciple of Christ. So everytime someone says "Hamas is a terroist organization" its akin to "The Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist organization"
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

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    I always thought Hamas meant "Muslim Brotherhood." Or some crap like that. Like here in America if you say "Ah that guy is part of the deciples." One would assume deciple of Christ. So everytime someone says "Hamas is a terroist organization" its akin to "The Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist organization"
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    That's it? That is all you've got? I cannot tell who is doing what in that clip. Where is the footage that shows the shooting? Who pulled their guns and when? Why didn't the I.D.F. drop tear gas since they apparently knew people had sling shots and pipes? Or why didn't they simply disable the ship? Where were their tasers?

    Look, I don't know, yet, how much of the fighting was planned on the part of the Turks. This story is not yet complete. I do know that the I.D.F. planned very poorly and walked right into a P.R. nightmare. You cannot see that?

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by alms View Post
    Cassandra,

    I'm not sure if you're being serious, since the footage is quit clear as to what occurred, but I will indulge you and attempt to explain.

    The Israeli commando fast-ropes onto the deck and is immediately attacked by the occupants.

    Do you have any other questions?
    Yes. I already asked those questions. Repeatedly. None of you care to try to answer. You are too busy looking for evidence of anti-semitism it would seem. In this thread, I have repeatedy noted that on the Turkish ship some individuals armed with clubs engaged the Israeli commandos in combat. Check. This has already been discussed ad nauseum. Film clips posted on page 80 something in this thread, appear to indicate that the Israelis saw the Turks preparing to resist. So......

    When were shots fired? Before the film begins or after?
    Who fired the shots that killed the boy at close range and why.
    Why didn't they use tasers? Why were commandos dropped from helicopters onto a ship where resistance was expected?
    There is a protocol for bording ships peaceably at sea. Are you aware of that? Was it followed?
    Assuming the boarding was hostile and protocol was NOT followed, why wasn't tear gas administered to protect the first commandos dropped into a hostile situation by helicopter?

    All I can say is either y'all lack curiousity or you are satisfied by very little information. There are just a few questions unanswered by the film.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    Yes. I already asked those questions. Repeatedly. None of you care to try to answer. You are too busy looking for evidence of anti-semitism it would seem. In this thread, I have repeatedy noted that on the Turkish ship some individuals armed with clubs engaged the Israeli commandos in combat. Check. This has already been discussed ad nauseum. Film clips posted on page 80 something in this thread, appear to indicate that the Israelis saw the Turks preparing to resist. So......

    When were shots fired? Before the film begins or after?
    Who fired the shots that killed the boy at close range and why.
    Why didn't they use tasers? Why were commandos dropped from helicopters onto a ship where resistance was expected?
    There is a protocol for bording ships peaceably at sea. Are you aware of that? Was it followed?
    Assuming the boarding was hostile and protocol was NOT followed, why wasn't tear gas administered to protect the first commandos dropped into a hostile situation by helicopter?

    All I can say is either y'all lack curiousity or you are satisfied by very little information. There are just a few questions unanswered by the film.
    from what i know, the commandos expected it to be a peacful boarding, so they didn't use the precautions of tear gas, no idea who killed the boy, they did have tasers, i know they used them on another ship, but on the one in question, i don't know if they did but they did have paintball guns, and a pistol as a side arm.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    Yes. I already asked those questions. Repeatedly. None of you care to try to answer. You are too busy looking for evidence of anti-semitism it would seem. In this thread, I have repeatedy noted that on the Turkish ship some individuals armed with clubs engaged the Israeli commandos in combat. Check. This has already been discussed ad nauseum. Film clips posted on page 80 something in this thread, appear to indicate that the Israelis saw the Turks preparing to resist. So......

    When were shots fired? Before the film begins or after?
    Who fired the shots that killed the boy at close range and why.
    Why didn't they use tasers? Why were commandos dropped from helicopters onto a ship where resistance was expected?
    There is a protocol for bording ships peaceably at sea. Are you aware of that? Was it followed?
    Assuming the boarding was hostile and protocol was NOT followed, why wasn't tear gas administered to protect the first commandos dropped into a hostile situation by helicopter?

    All I can say is either y'all lack curiousity or you are satisfied by very little information. There are just a few questions unanswered by the film.
    A "freedom flotilla" ship was consciously trying to run an announced blockade. What actions exactly could/should they (the Israelis) have taken that would satisfy you?

    Be specific. And include what contingency plans would have been valid if the passengers on that boat tried to kill those Israeli solders that boarded in the effort to inspect the cargo....



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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Some more Information comes out about how the nine victims died some were shoot more than once 1-6 shots. Article is here

    Cengiz Alquyz, 42

    Four gunshot wounds: back of head, right side of face, back, left leg

    Ibrahim Bilgen, 60

    Four gunshot wounds: right chest, back, right hip, right temple

    Cegdet Kiliclar, 38

    One gunshot wound: middle of forehead

    Furkan Dogan, 19

    Five gunshot wounds: nose, back, back of head, left leg, left ankle

    Sahri Yaldiz

    Four gunshot wounds: left chest, left leg, right leg twice

    Aliheyder Bengi, 39

    Six gunshot wounds: left chest, belly, right arm, right leg, left hand twice

    Cetin Topcuoglu, 54

    Three gunshot wounds: back of head, left side, right belly

    Cengiz Songur, 47

    One gunshot wound: front of neck

    Necdet Yildirim, 32

    Two gunshot wounds: right shoulder, left back
    It looks like they had been a little bit of a over kill by the Israeli soldiers in this case which I find disturbing to say the least.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    Some more Information comes out about how the nine victims died some were shoot more than once 1-6 shots. Article is here



    It looks like they had been a little bit of a over kill by the Israeli soldiers in this case which I find disturbing to say the least.
    Unless you were in combat or some level of a firefight, then you would understand. Pulling a 9mm/.45 semiauto, this is usually the result. Overkill..no such thing..there is just dead. BTW lived in Forest Cove and served with the Forest Cove VFD.

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