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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    This guy joined his jihadist sympathizer gal-pal Rachel Corrie in "the world is better off without them" category.
    Really?
    Shame on you.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    Regarding Israel storming the boat.



    Gaza fleet raid raises questions over legality of Israel’s blockade - Times Online

    'Free Gaza' has made several trips. According to them the first 5 went without incident despite, according to them, receiving threats that they would even be killed. The next 3 or 4, according to them, resulted in them being severly beaten. They say that following that they were determined that this would not happen again and so spent one year organising this trip.
    Same Question. If aid was the goal why did they ignore both offers by Egypt and Israel to offload their supplies?
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    He was on board a jihadist owned and operated ship, he should have kept better company.
    And I'm sure he greeted the IDF with roses and not knives, flash grenades and metal pipes
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Same Question. If aid was the goal why did they ignore both offers by Egypt and Israel to offload their supplies?
    As far as I can tell the aid was not the only goal. Bringing world attention to the inhumane blockade of Gaza was certainly an aim. It worked quite successfully. The Israeli action was not merely overkill- it was really dumb and not in Israel's self-interest. I should think someone in the defense force will be looking for another job.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    a mind reader eh, vance
    in your own world there is no way possible that some of us support a homeland for the jews, while simultaneously opposing the oppression the once oppressed are now inflicting on the Palestinians. pity you are so wrong
    as a 15 year old kid going to school in japan during the '67 war i wore an armband inscribed 5-10-5 ... in japanese that is pronounced "Go Jew Go"
    but the balance of power has turned around since then and if there is a people who should be opposed to inflicting oppression against others, it is the nation of israel
    i admire much about the jewish people and especially how they have shaped a nearly self sufficient, technological paradise out of a barren desert
    one can be opposed to actions without being opposed to a people
    israel could be so much better if its government would focus on peace instead of war ... and that is also true of the palestinian leaders, and the better lives they could offer those they claim to represent


    so, don't give up the day job vance, because this mindreading thing isn't working out for ya
    Well "bubba" lets allow that I said 'most' and that you are one of the few...OK...I'll buy it...

    So tell me Bubba...other than getting 'outraged' when Israel strikes out...wow us with your social conscience...your day to day efforts to bring about a better world. Your experience with those other agencies...your work to inspire peace...

    you know...the real stuff...

    I spent four years in the middle east. Not the MOST experience in the world...Im sure there are others here with more. But I can tell you as an absolute fact that other than the occasional news article and opportunity to rattle the saber, not once did I see or meet people that were committed to bringing about peace with Israel. No one offfered to bring in those Palestinian refugees (maybe they are wary considering their past history with Jordan, Egypt, and Lebanon).

    Oh...I'll keep my day job. But I'd bet money my observations regarding 'most people' are right on target.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    As far as I can tell the aid was not the only goal.
    And thats the point.

    Bringing world attention to the inhumane blockade of Gaza was certainly an aim. It worked quite successfully. The Israeli action was not merely overkill- it was really dumb and not in Israel's self-interest. I should think someone in the defense force will be looking for another job.
    Inhumane would be allowing terrorists to receive weapons to use against Israeli citizens.

    Are you under the impression no aid gets to Gaza at all?
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Same Question. If aid was the goal why did they ignore both offers by Egypt and Israel to offload their supplies?
    As pointed out, it is possible to have more than one goal with an action. Aid and publicity where to goals. Israel was really in a no win situation here. They could not let the ships land, and if, as seems likely, the people on the one ship planned to attack the Israeli forces who tried to stop them, it guaranteed publicity in a manner Israel does not really want.

    I wonder if the US has a battle group in the Med, and maybe asking them to intercept the flotilla might not have been a safer course of action from a PR standpoint.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You know, I am bothered a fair bit on how Israel handled this and have some issues.

    But some on this thread want to bitch and whine about "disproportionate force"?

    People tied to the GOVERNMENT in Palestine are routinely sending missiles into civilian areas of Israel....the outrage of "the world" and specifically the EU is negligible, mostly explaining it away as if its somehow warranted.

    A "President" of a country who arguably stole an election (the likes of which should make those in the US bitching about "stolen" elections ashamed of themselves) and since then many of those leading the freedom movement seem to have "disappeared". All the while the country is known to be funneling money to various terrorist organizations and aquiring nuclear material, all being done with the most mild and tacit disapproval of "The world", specifically the EU, who the country primarily ignores.

    North Korea creates nuclear weapons, keeps a entire horde of missiles aimed at a neighboring city, and actually sinks a vessel of another country seemingly purposefully and the outrage is mild at best.

    Israel sets up a blockade and attempts to inspect a boat that is trying to breach it, and then responds with deadly force when attacked, and the "World" EXPLODES in outrage. This board explodes with outrage.

    The amount of outrage, condemnation, and standards at which Israel is given or held to is so completely and utterly out of whack with what "The world" holds ANY OTHER COUNTRY to it seems. The sinking of another countries vessel is unquestionably an act of war but we hear next to nothing about it, yet a disputed "act of war" at best is being made out to be the most grevious thing to have happened in decades..
    I thought it was your job to keep threads "on topic"? As well you should know, N. Korea and Israel are not in the least analagous. Furthermore, the dominant emotional outbursts in this thread seem to come from those who support Israeli policy and actions in every circumstance.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    And thats the point.
    So in your world peaceful protest is not allowed.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    And thats the point.



    Inhumane would be allowing terrorists to receive weapons to use against Israeli citizens.

    Are you under the impression no aid gets to Gaza at all?
    According to former diplomat, Ann Wright, who was on the scene( speaking today on Democracynow) these ships were inspected beforehand and cement is not easy to use as a weapon. Do they build giant trebuches to sling great gobs of it at unsuspecting Israeli citizens?


    ANN WRIGHT: Well, I think our vice president needs to take another look at this thing. The ships were open to inspection beforehand, and I’m quite sure Mossad had their little agents that were all over that place. These groups are humanitarian groups that are bringing in goods that are needed for the people of Gaza. They’ve had plenty of inspections on them.

    If you talk about violence, it’s not 3,000 rockets Hamas is putting on Gaza; it’s a twenty-two-day attack that the Israelis did that killed 1,400 people, wounded 5,000, left 50,000 homeless. And here we are a year and four months later, and the Israelis will not let any sort of reconstruction materials in. And then, when reconstruction materials start coming that way, instead of waiting until—if they have a zone that they are trying to protect, let ships come into it and stop them.

    But I would say that there are ways that you can stop them without killing people. There are ways you can stop even passenger ship like that ferry boat, and certainly like our little thirty-foot craft. You don’t have to use commandos with—I mean, you can use commandos with excessive force, which they do, but there are other ways to do it, if you want to kind of preserve a sense of civility, humanity, and meeting the international law, quite honestly.

    And going outside a boundary, going into international waters, I mean, what they are are pirates. They are pirates. They kidnap people, and they’re stealing stuff. They’ve probably stolen over a million dollars’ worth of cameras, computers, cell phones. I mean, I’m in Istanbul. We just got here early this morning. Some luggage is here. There’s not a thing in it. Everything has been taken. The Israeli military said, "Oh, yes, we have to count this. You know, we have to take it." Well, what they’ve done, they’ve stolen it. And if we have any friends that are in Israel, I hope that they go down to the black market and see where our stuff is, because somebody is making a killing on this thing.

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