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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    The ships were carrying building materials primarily- so what if a ship made it to Gaza?
    We reserve the right to prevent certain materials from getting in, such as construction materials, which Hamas would use to build bunkers, and not hospitals.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Well this situation is going to have on going consequences.

    Watching BBC news this evening, there is concern about Turkey moving away from the west and towards Islamist support.

    One of our women who was on the boat with fatalities speaks of her experience here British survivor of Gaza flotilla raid: 'Israelis ignored SOS calls' | World news | guardian.co.uk

    and lastly, the Irish are still on their way. They want to deliver aid directly to Gaza, just like the previous ships wanted. They say their reasons are simply that they believe that Israel will not deliver all their cargo - for instance cement. They are very happy for the UN to come and inspect them and take them into Gaza. They say their mission is humanitarian and that is all - lost my link to that story

    but here is a Guardian link. The Irish are very clear they do not want any of their people harmed in this undertaking.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...israel-warning
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

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    We didn't know that until it was boarded.
    There were other cases though that justify Israel's suspicion.

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    The Free Gaza organization has delivered medical supplies by ship to Gaza in the past w/o incident. I also noted that the Israeli ambassador's statement that Gazan's were receiving sufficient food and medical supplies by approved channels seems to be undermined by the fact that journalists observed lines of severely ill people crossing into Egypt for medical care when Egypt opened the border

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    The Free Gaza organization has delivered medical supplies by ship to Gaza in the past w/o incident. I also noted that the Israeli ambassador's statement that Gazan's were receiving sufficient food and medical supplies by approved channels seems to be undermined by the fact that journalists observed lines of severely ill people crossing into Egypt for medical care when Egypt opened the border
    How could Israel know if the ship has carried weapons or not if it has let it pass?

    And you'll have to link to a source for your second claim, besides it not undermining the claims for no lack in medical supplies, since it could just as well be the lack in skillful doctors.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    They say their reasons are simply that they believe that Israel will not deliver all their cargo - for instance cement. They are very happy for the UN to come and inspect them and take them into Gaza. They say their mission is humanitarian and that is all - lost my link to that story
    Why didn't they agree to the Egyptians accepting the cargo if they didn't trust the Israelis?

    It was decidedly not to provide humanitarian aid to the residents of Gaza, but rather to break the entirely lawful Israeli military blockade. The proof lies in the fact that both Israel and Egypt offered to have all the food, medicine and other humanitarian goods sent to Gaza, if the boats agreed to land in an Israeli or Egyptian port. That humanitarian offer was soundly rejected by the leaders of the flotilla who publicly announced:

    "This mission is not about delivering humanitarian supplies, it's about breaking Israel's siege on 1.5 million Palestinians."
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    The Free Gaza organization has delivered medical supplies by ship to Gaza in the past w/o incident. I also noted that the Israeli ambassador's statement that Gazan's were receiving sufficient food and medical supplies by approved channels seems to be undermined by the fact that journalists observed lines of severely ill people crossing into Egypt for medical care when Egypt opened the border
    If it was only about delivering supplies why did the ship refuse to go into port either Israel or Egypt?

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Why didn't they agree to the Egyptians accepting the cargo if they didn't trust the Israelis?

    The boat that is saying it does not believe Israel will allow some of their materials into Gaza has not arrived yet. It is the Irish boat. Due to arrive Friday or Saturday. I am not though as you mentione it, aware that Egypt gave any such option to the previous boats. At that time her borders were closed to Gaza.

    In addition 'Free Gaza' wants the people of Gaza to feel the world has not forgotten them. You should not confuse that with support for Hamas. Apart from the US and Israel just about the whole world wants the blockade ended and the whole world most certainly does not support Hamas. These boats have citizens from most of the countries of Europe and the US.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    The boat that is saying it does not believe Israel will allow some of their materials into Gaza has not arrived yet. It is the Irish boat. Due to arrive Friday or Saturday. I am not though as you mentione it, aware that Egypt gave any such option to the previous boats. At that time her borders were closed to Gaza.
    Egypt did give such option, and the Irish boat is due to arrive on Sunday.
    In addition 'Free Gaza' wants the people of Gaza to feel the world has not forgotten them.
    I don't think many really buy that.
    You should not confuse that with support for Hamas. Apart from the US and Israel just about the whole world wants the blockade ended and the whole world most certainly does not support Hamas. These boats have citizens from most of the countries of Europe and the US.
    Apart from Israel the whole world has no obligation to the security of the people of Israel.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Egypt did give such option, and the Irish boat is due to arrive on Sunday.
    Thank you. I will look into that. My guess is that the intention was to head towards Gaza. Some boats have been allowed in before. They did not know there's would not. It was worth a try to them. They certainly did not expect Israel to board them forcefully on the high seas, believing that to be illegal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I don't think many really buy that.
    I said that because that is what one of the first 'Free Gaza' people said. The political position is to bring Gaza to the attention of the world, to work towards getting the blockade removed and proper economic and social life restarted there.

    The boats apparently came with needed supplies to build

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    Apart from Israel the whole world has no obligation to the security of the people of Israel.
    The wole world has the need to point out when a country which we are allied to is acting against International Law and accepted Human Rights. Security issues can be dealt with along with peaceful solutions.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Egypt did give such option,
    It was decidedly not to provide humanitarian aid to the residents of Gaza, but rather the break the entirely lawful Israeli military blockade. The proof lies in the fact that both Israel and Egypt offered to have all the food, medicine and other humanitarian goods sent to Gaza, if the boats agreed to land in an Israeli or Egyptian port. That humanitarian offer was soundly rejected by the leaders of the flotilla who publicly announced:

    "This mission is not about delivering humanitarian supplies, it's about breaking Israel's siege on 1.5 million Palestinians." (AFP, May 27, 2010.)
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