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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Y'see, that's what I always thought you believed. When you were calling Richard Goldstone nasty names the fact of his Jewishness didn't seem to be very relevant.
    What's wrong with what he said?
    Some poster said that Dershowitz is not a credible person because he's a Jew. Clearly even you can see that such thinking is wrong?
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    What's wrong with what he said?
    Some poster said that Dershowitz is not a credible person because he's a Jew. Clearly even you can see that such thinking is wrong?
    I think Dershowitz is an interesting voice. I don't always agree with him but he's thoughtful while too often being a little over-partisan. I like the guy and think he IS credible. My point was that Gardener was trying to say he was credible BECAUSE he was Jewish and that Jews should be respected for their opinions on the issue. I would question the former and fully agree with the latter. The thing is, Gardener, as per his every flaming post, only deems Jewish opinion credible when it concords with his own ultra-hawkish-Israeli-government-supporting stance, hence Goldstone is dissed and insulted and his opinions and finding rubbished. I dare say he'll be none-too-impressed with Aaronovitch's column either. There's an old Turkish saying... am buldunda kılsızınımı istiyorsun... effectively, and more politely, he wants his cake and eat it.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    What's wrong with what he said?
    Some poster said that Dershowitz is not a credible person because he's a Jew. Clearly even you can see that such thinking is wrong?
    If you are referring to my statement, I said no such thing. I said Dershowitz is neither a specialist in international law nor unbiased. His written commentaries concerning Israel and his attempts to stifle critics are well known
    As it happens Richard Falk does not agree with Dershowitz, he is an authority on international law and is also Jewish. Jewish or not Jewish - it is really irrelevant.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    If you are referring to my statement, I said no such thing. I said Dershowitz is neither a specialist in international law nor unbiased. His written commentaries concerning Israel and his attempts to stifle critics are well known
    As it happens Richard Falk does not agree with Dershowitz, he is an authority on international law and is also Jewish. Jewish or not Jewish - it is really irrelevant.
    So you would declare anyone with previous anti-Israeli commentaries biased, right?
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Maybe Tashah or someone could chime in here and try to explain what the reasoning was behind attacking ships in International waters vs just letting them come to port and searching them thoroughly? Does Israel not have folks at the destination port do that? And at the very least, why do it in international waters? What legal grounds can any country have for dropping commandos onto ships in international waters? And then cry about getting attacked by the people ON said ships.

    Are they going to attack and kill the people on the Irish ship too? While *they're* in international waters?

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Maybe Tashah or someone could chime in here and try to explain what the reasoning was behind attacking ships in International waters vs just letting them come to port and searching them thoroughly? Does Israel not have folks at the destination port do that? And at the very least, why do it in international waters? What legal grounds can any country have for dropping commandos onto ships in international waters? And then cry about getting attacked by the people ON said ships.

    Are they going to attack and kill the people on the Irish ship too? While *they're* in international waters?
    The bordering was in accordance with international law.
    The ship was warned twice by Israeli navy officials to stop and when it has refused to twice, and has declared its intention to be running the blockade on Gaza the IDF was given the legitimacy to board it on international waters.
    International law says that if a ship is trying to run a blockade it can be boarded on international waters.

    Why was it boarded on international waters and not on the territorial waters?
    The amount of ships in the flotilla was too big - if the bordering would have been done on the territorial waters there would be a great chance of one or more of the ships making it to the Gazan port before the soldiers are able to stop it.
    Besides that there's the risk that the terrorist organization of Hamas, which controls the Strip, would have sent speed boats towards the interception area and would have greatly escalated the situation.

    And about the second flotilla; it will be intercepted.
    The crew consists of 11 people if I'm not wrong so there shouldn't be a real issue - but then again one week ago we were sure this was a flotilla that is carrying a bunch of peaceful activists, a bunch of hippies, not full bearded terrorists supporters that dream about becoming Shahids.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    So you would declare anyone with previous anti-Israeli commentaries biased, right?
    Every sentient individual has biases. The only question is whether, like Krishnamurti, a person attempts to question their own assumptions and thought processes. I think that Richard Falk is biased also. This does not mean that I outright reject what either has to say; I recommend that both points of view should be considered.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    The bordering was in accordance with international law.
    The ship was warned twice by Israeli navy officials to stop and when it has refused to twice, and has declared its intention to be running the blockade on Gaza the IDF was given the legitimacy to board it on international waters.
    International law says that if a ship is trying to run a blockade it can be boarded on international waters.

    Why was it boarded on international waters and not on the territorial waters?
    The amount of ships in the flotilla was too big - if the bordering would have been done on the territorial waters there would be a great chance of one or more of the ships making it to the Gazan port before the soldiers are able to stop it.
    Besides that there's the risk that the terrorist organization of Hamas, which controls the Strip, would have sent speed boats towards the interception area and would have greatly escalated the situation..
    The ships were carrying building materials primarily- so what if a ship made it to Gaza?

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    The ships were carrying building materials primarily- so what if a ship made it to Gaza?
    We didn't know that until it was boarded.
    There were other cases though that justify Israel's suspicion.

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