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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Nice to know you think Israel should violate the Geneva Conventions. Every great idea starts off with violating international law. Keep up the great work.
    The Geneva Conventions only apply to the occupation of the sovereign territory of state actors. The governing authorities of Gaza are not state actors and they are not high contracting parties to the Geneva Conventions nor do they abide by the Geneva Conventions thus Gaza does not fall under the purview of the Geneva Conventions.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Thats right, the aid flotilla is making a political statement. That statement is, the gaza strip cannot be blocked out, isolated or forgotten about forever. The international community wants it removed, and what a great way to challenge this blockade. It may have failed but it sure as hell lifted a few eyebrows and shifted people's attention. There where protests in Turkey, Greece, UK and so on. They got what they wanted, and the consquences of Israel's actions will become clear in the coming days. There's no shortage of rations in gaza, by the way. Not proper food. The blockade has unfortunately completely improvished the region. Is it any wonder they have turned to psychotic jihadist governments?
    lol they turned to the jihadist government before the blockade.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Incorrect. Go reread the additional protocols to the Geneva Conventions which prohibit collective measures that do not distinguish between civilian and military. The blockade is a collective measure on the inhabitants of Gaza, where it doesn't matter if you are civilian or Hamas, there is no distinction.
    A) The Geneva Conventions do not apply to Gaza, 1) Gaza is not the occupied territory of a state actor, and 2) The governing authority of Gaza is not a high contracting member of the Geneva Conventions and does not abide by the Geneva Conventions.

    B) Even if they did apply Israel would only be required to allow in food and medical supplies which they do.

    C) The blockade is a legitimate security measure intenteded to keep out the weapons smugglers who have on numerous occassions used "humanitarian aid" shipments as cover for massive arms shipments.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    That is exactly what the Israeli commandos did, so you seem to be confused about the applicability of Article 3.

    And to say this Convention is inapplicable is laughable. This Convention will always apply to State signatories who conduct naval actions in the high seas.
    The Israeli weapons inspectors were conducting a legitimate weapons inspection on a ship which was funded and controlled by known jihadists.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    I'm glad to see that at least Joe Biden is backing the truth over this.
    Even the Israeli Supreme Court, which usually strongly opposes the government on such events, has dismissed pleas made against the IDF over this flotilla, stating that "The soldiers have acted in self-defense, the lost of life is unfortunate".

    Edit: Kaya, where did you get that information about 2 British journalists dying?
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    You don't honestly believe that Deshowitz is either an authority on international law
    Um ya he is a tenured law professor at Harvard.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Is the naval blockade legitimate?
    Yes, clearly Israel has a legitimate concern as a sovereign state not to want the terrorist organization that targets its civilians to get armed, and clearly the naval blockade is being legitimate as we can point out towards two previous incidents when IDF soldiers have boarded ships in international waters and they were found to be carrying over ten thousand tons of weapons. (Karin A affair, Francop affair)
    It all falls under the right of the state to protect its people.

    Was it legitimate then to stop a ship on international waters?
    Abso****inglutely. International law permits the boarding of a foreign ship on international waters if its declared purpose is to run a blockade.
    Nothing was done illegally.

    Was it legitimate for the IDF to defend their lives?
    Yes. And nevertheless, they have expressed an amazing restraint during the time they were lynched by the mob, stabbed and hit with knives and crowbars.
    They have only reacted once the activists have opened live fire on them, and that's completely and absolutely acceptable.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Is the naval blockade legitimate?
    Yes, clearly Israel has a legitimate concern as a sovereign state not to want the terrorist organization that targets its civilians to get armed, and clearly the naval blockade is being legitimate as we can point out towards two previous incidents when IDF soldiers have boarded ships in international waters and they were found to be carrying over ten thousand tons of weapons. (Karin A affair, Francop affair)
    It all falls under the right of the state to protect its people.

    Was it legitimate then to stop a ship on international waters?
    Abso****inglutely. International law permits the boarding of a foreign ship on international waters if its declared purpose is to run a blockade.
    Nothing was done illegally.

    Was it legitimate for the IDF to defend their lives?
    Yes. And nevertheless, they have expressed an amazing restraint during the time they were lynched by the mob, stabbed and hit with knives and crowbars.
    They have only reacted once the activists have opened live fire on them, and that's completely and absolutely acceptable.
    Nothing personal, just an observation

    I'm truly amazed, as what you just posted is the exact contrary of what I read in every newspaper (from everywhere, the Belgian ones, the French ones, the English ones...), including some articles in the Haaretz, and it is also the exact opposite of what governments from the entire world (from Chile to Russia and from Sweden to Bengladesh) say.

    Are you aware that only Israeli and some Americans defend your point of view? (that does not make it wrong per se, but it still means that there is a consensus against you)

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Nothing personal, just an observation

    I'm truly amazed, as what you just posted is the exact contrary of what I read in every newspaper (from everywhere, the Belgian ones, the French ones, the English ones...), including some articles in the Haaretz, and it is also the exact opposite of what governments from the entire world (from Chile to Russia and from Sweden to Bengladesh) say.

    Are you aware that only Israeli and some Americans defend your point of view? (that does not make it wrong per se, but it still means that there is a consensus against you)
    Um restraint was not sinking the damn boat. They responded TOO deadly force WITH deadly force. There response was proportional and it was restrained.

    Personally I would have sent the jihadist owned and operated vessel to the bottom.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Hey I keep on being told they were fired at before being borded and there were castualies already before the landing on the boat...Any one know more about that?
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