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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    When the blockade is deemed illegal by the international community, the rules change boyo.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    You mean swollen stomachs from malnutrition right?
    Im not saying Israel has every right to kill and destroy every Hamas son of a bitch there is. Hell, id support them all the way. But the jews are becoming too damn trigger happy, its hurting there international relations, they are becoming an American foriegn policy burden....they need a new approach to Gaza. They need to end the complete blockade and revise a new solution. Starving them out isn't working.
    MICHAEL OREN: Well, certainly to provoke, not to provide humanitarian aid.

    Over the past several days, Israel has been engaged in intense diplomacy to try to convince the participants in the flotilla to transfer the humanitarian aid in their cargo holds to Israel. And Israel vowed to transfer that aid to Gaza. About 100 trucks of humanitarian aid, food and medicine go into Gaza every day. There's no shortage of food in Gaza. There's no shortage of immediate in Gaza. This would have been additional aid.

    And we would have been happy to transfer it on. But the purpose of this flotilla wasn't to bring humanitarian aid to Gaza. It was to make a political statement and to provoke Israel into blockading the flotilla from arriving to Gaza.

    The -- if they had wanted really to aid the people of Gaza, they would have given us the humanitarian aid.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Nice to know you think Israel should violate the Geneva Conventions. Every great idea starts off with violating international law. Keep up the great work.
    It does not violate the Geneva Conventions. They are at war with each other.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Thats right, the aid flotilla is making a political statement. That statement is, the gaza strip cannot be blocked out, isolated or forgotten about forever. The international community wants it removed, and what a great way to challenge this blockade. It may have failed but it sure as hell lifted a few eyebrows and shifted people's attention. There where protests in Turkey, Greece, UK and so on. They got what they wanted, and the consquences of Israel's actions will become clear in the coming days. There's no shortage of rations in gaza, by the way. Not proper food. The blockade has unfortunately completely improvished the region. Is it any wonder they have turned to psychotic jihadist governments?

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
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    Blockade is not a valid reason as it is a concept only applicable to war situations.
    Michael Oren says that Gaza's ruling party, Hamas, is a hostile entity and under that interpretation the blockade and the flotilla boarding was legal. It's the law that made it legal for us to blockade and board ships bound for Germany in WWII.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    This ship came from Greek Cyprus, not bloody Syria. There where no weapons, there was no guns. The footage shows no proof of any of your claims. There where 2 british journalists on the ship who got killed. One german man also gave a first hand account on the violent approach and technique of the IDF on the ship to the BBC. I find it hard to believe a collective group of journalists and activists are lying, but i find it very believable the IDF, a government institution is waffling. The same institution which denies any existence of nuclear bombs and the stealing of western passports even though impartial investigations in the West have seen various Israeli diplomatics removed.
    Kaya do you have a link about these British Journalists or where are you getting this information from?
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Un ilícito internacional · ELPAÍS.com
    Blockade is not a valid reason as it is a concept only applicable to war situations.
    Michael Oren says that Gaza's ruling party, Hamas, is a hostile entity and under that interpretation the blockade and the flotilla boarding was legal. It's the law that made it legal for us to blockade and board ships bound for Germany in WWII.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Thats right, the aid flotilla is making a political statement. That statement is, the gaza strip cannot be blocked out, isolated or forgotten about forever. The international community wants it removed, and what a great way to challenge this blockade. It may have failed but it sure as hell lifted a few eyebrows and shifted people's attention. There where protests in Turkey, Greece, UK and so on. They got what they wanted, and the consquences of Israel's actions will become clear in the coming days. There's no shortage of rations in gaza, by the way. Not proper food. The blockade has unfortunately completely improvished the region. Is it any wonder they have turned to psychotic jihadist governments?
    Just out of curiosity...what is it exactly you think ANY of those countries want for Palestine? You think they REALLY give a rats ass about them? Its anti Jew, not pro Palestine. If they were actually legitimately concerned about the Palestinians they would be ENCOURAGING peace, helping build schools, hospitals, supporting an actual economy, and...what am I missing...OH YEAH...telling those stupid ****nuts to stop lobbing mortars into Israel 30 ****ing years ago.

    Well...its just a thought...

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    I'm aware of the point of view that none of the bodies have any authority - however what I want is examples of actual resolution that show bias against Israel. Any explanation (I know I'm asking a lot) of why the resolutions show bias would help.
    I honestly have neither the inclination nor the patience to do this. I'm sorry if that sounds like a copout, but I can assure you that it's fairly well accepted that the UNGA and other international bodies focus disproportionately on Israel as opposed to other human rights violators.

    Basically, we're saying the same thing but from different viewpoints. The flotilla organisers have no interest in the tunnels along the Gaza border with Egypt – also that would involve Hamas which is counterproductive. And as I said in earlier posts, it's not possible to bring in the aid required in quantity required through the tunnels.
    My understanding is that Israel allows all sorts of aid materials to enter Gaza via land. Someone cited 100 trucks/day, though I'm not sure of the details on that.

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    According to Israel which is highly irrelevant.
    You don't think the position of a sovereign state is relevant? What is?

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    Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Acts Against the Safety of Maritime Navigation (Rome 1988)

    The appropriate response would have been to contact the Turkish governmnent and request to board by providing credible evidence. They did not do this, despite signing this same Convention last year.
    This has been addressed in another thread. Read Art. III of the convention.

    That convention is entirely inapplicable here. Not only is it designed to target individual non-state actors, but you're missing a key provision:

    Article 3
    1. Any person commits an offence if that person unlawfully and intentionally:...
    The Convention doesn't create any new crimes, it simply creates a remedy for things that are already crimes under international law. Citing this convention as proof that the action was illegal is circular reasoning.
    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    When the blockade is deemed illegal by the international community, the rules change boyo.
    Who exactly has declared this blockade illegal? Last I knew, "the international community" didn't have jurisdiction over anything.
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