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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    What humanitarian concerns? The Palestinians are getting fat they have so much food.

    Hamas does not act regionally, only locally.
    You mean swollen stomachs from malnutrition right?
    Im not saying Israel has every right to kill and destroy every Hamas son of a bitch there is. Hell, id support them all the way. But the jews are becoming too damn trigger happy, its hurting there international relations, they are becoming an American foriegn policy burden....they need a new approach to Gaza. They need to end the complete blockade and revise a new solution. Starving them out isn't working.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Not at all, look at the result: there is more international pressure than ever, everyone outside Israel and the USA is asking for a lift of the blockade.
    So you admit that it was illegal for the ships to attempt to break the blockade?

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    You mean swollen stomachs from malnutrition right?
    Im not saying Israel has every right to kill and destroy every Hamas son of a bitch there is. Hell, id support them all the way. But the jews are becoming too damn trigger happy, its hurting there international relations, they are becoming an American foriegn policy burden....they need a new approach to Gaza. They need to end the complete blockade and revise a new solution. Starving them out isn't working.
    What starving?

    I think Israel should deport all Palestinians from Gaza to the West Bank and raze it to the ground and build settlements.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    How else do you explain the immediate condemnation before all the facts were in?
    • Breach of international law
    • Murder of two foreign journalists
    • Edited footage and Israeli defence statements which lack any fundamental proof of the existence of weapons
    • Murder of 10 activists with sticks.


    If the billions of pounds spent training, building missile defence shields in Israel, veto of any UN resolution which tarnishes the shiny exterior of Israel and the arming of the IDF by the west does not convince you, and your still sure as hell we're all anti-Semites, ill be damned.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    So you admit that it was illegal for the ships to attempt to break the blockade?
    According to Israel which is highly irrelevant.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Un ilícito internacional · ELPAÍS.com
    Additionally, José María Ruiz Soroa, a Spanish expert in Admiralty law, said that Israel is not entitled according to International Law to constrain the freedom of navigation of any ship on the high seas, except in a number of situations that do not apply to the Gaza flotilla case. Blockade is not a valid reason as it is a concept only applicable to war situations. He also mentioned that Israel's action is a breach of the UN International Maritime Organization Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Acts Against the Safety of Maritime Navigation (SUA), which was signed by Israel in April 2009. According to the article 6.1 of the SUA, the jurisdiction over the offences that a ship might have committed lays in the State whose flag the ship is flying (in this situation, Turkey).
    Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Acts Against the Safety of Maritime Navigation (Rome 1988)

    Article 14

    Any State Party having reason to believe that an offence set forth in article 3 will be committed shall, in accordance with its national law, furnish as promptly as possible any relevant information in its possession to those States which it believes would be the States having established jurisdiction in accordance with article 6.
    Article 6

    1. Each State Party shall take such measures as may be necessary to establish its jurisdiction over the offences set forth in article 3 when the offence is committed:

    (a) against or on board a ship flying the flag of the State at the time the offence is committed;
    The appropriate response would have been to contact the Turkish governmnent and request to board by providing credible evidence. They did not do this, despite signing this same Convention last year.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    So you admit that it was illegal for the ships to attempt to break the blockade?
    Where did I say that?

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    What starving?

    I think Israel should deport all Palestinians from Gaza to the West Bank and raze it to the ground and build settlements.
    I like your all guns blazing republican sentiment my southern fried chicken friend, but the reality is Gaza isn't Jewish and neither is the west bank. Unfortunately, reality calls for a comprehensive and peaceful solution.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Is that your justification? Weak argument. Israel should not have intervened in international waters. Simple.

    GWEN IFILL: Was the ship in international waters?

    MICHAEL OREN: It was.

    GWEN IFILL: Is that -- was that breaking the law for the Israeli military to board the ship in international waters, what so many people at the U.N. were saying that today?

    MICHAEL OREN: It is not.

    Under international law, when there's a case of a military blockade against a hostile entity -- and we are talking about a hostile entity -- this is -- this is Hamas in Gaza, a country under Article 51 of the United Nations charter, the right to self-defense, has a right to defend itself self.


    By the same articles of war, the United States blockaded Germany during World War II in the open seas. Israel was well within its international rights.
    Israeli Ambassador: Soldiers Had 'No Choice But to Defend Themselves' | PBS NewsHour | May 31, 2010 | PBS

    OBL 11/24/02

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    What starving?

    I think Israel should deport all Palestinians from Gaza to the West Bank and raze it to the ground and build settlements.
    Nice to know you think Israel should violate the Geneva Conventions. Every great idea starts off with violating international law. Keep up the great work.

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