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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

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    Also most politicians know that hippies are basically the worst people on the planet.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    How about Obama?

    His silence emboldens enemies.

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    How exactly has Obama's "silence" on this emboldened enemies?

    If you're concerned about increased Islamic terrorism, which one do you think would be more likely to lead to that result:

    Obama: "The jihadist supporters and terrorists involved here deserved everything they got. I stand behind Israel fully and will be dispatching US warships to join the blockade. if turkey wants to try again, we will use our military might however necessary."

    Obama: "We're going to look into this further, but I express my regret for the harms experienced by all parties involved in this. Hopefully we can come to a peaceful resolution."
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    How about Obama?

    Obama must think he is still in the Illinois Senate... voting present.

    His silence emboldens enemies.
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    Oh look, he is not silent:

    Free Gaza Flotilla

    Those gosh darn facts...
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    How exactly has Obama's "silence" on this emboldened enemies?

    If you're concerned about increased Islamic terrorism, which one do you think would be more likely to lead to that result:

    Obama: "The jihadist supporters and terrorists involved here deserved everything they got. I stand behind Israel fully and will be dispatching US warships to join the blockade. if turkey wants to try again, we will use our military might however necessary."

    Obama: "We're going to look into this further, but I express my regret for the harms experienced by all parties involved in this. Hopefully we can come to a peaceful resolution."
    I'm going to take a stab at the latter. The former would be weird given that Islamic Turkish and Pakistani allies are fighting and dying shoulder-to-shoulder with US armed forces in Afghanistan whilst Israeli forces are engaged in damaging US foreign policy objectives in a very direct and violent way.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyMcCool View Post
    The same way they did with this one but hopefully if it came down to having to take over the boat legally like this time, it would be done with a brain behind the operation to limit the casualties on both sides to zero.

    they will prob send warships next time to cause a stalemate untill the crew agrees to have their cargo checked..
    A better way to have dealt with the flotilla.

    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyMcCool View Post
    indeed it is, but Bibi is an idiot and he has no idea what he is doing...its sad he is PM again..we used to have such good governments here who did beatfull millatery operations which had limited casualties and were amazingly done. But now days the IDF is starting to look like an old grandpa trying to throw a baseball its a hit and miss...at lest untill they replace the defense minister cause I think his time has gone already..
    It's hard to believe it's the same IDF that rescued 100 hostages at Entebbe Airport isn't it?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyMcCool View Post
    Perhaps its time the people of gaza try and stand up..I bet you they outnumber Hamas and would get support form Israel..
    Not such a far fetched idea – divide and conquer; the current policy of punishing all of Gaza hasn't changed Hama's status and the incident on Monday simply puts Israel further in the light as a hostile force, uninterested in real solutions to the food problems in Gaza.

    Loving your posts Mr CrazyMcCool, you're a welcome addition and humour always goes down well in my book.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    -- Here's the funny thing...

    I have little issue with the other 5 boats on the surface of what we know (without delving into assumptions). They wanted to get past the blockaid to prove a point and/or to deliver their aid, but once they were stopped...as they had to know they were going to be...they submitted to the authority and to the result they knew was extremely likely. If they had somehow managed to "sneak" through and actually make the drop and it was legitimate humanatarian aid you wouldn't see me shed a tear or speak a bad word about them --
    I acknowledge your response to my question about the WW2 era blockades and don;t wish to derail the thread further (having seen Tashah's warnings) so I will address this point – There was apparently violence on the other 5 boats too – all the outrage has so far been directed at the Mamaris. Further, as I've pointed out to others in this thread – the aid ships weren't carrying weapons – Hamas' weapons tend to come via tunnels from Egypt. Going by sea through a naval blockade zone is highly risky – as the flotilla proved.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Israelis want to know why the soldiers weren't equipped with assault rifles and how come they haven't dropped smoke bombs when dropping the soldiers on the ship.
    If you (I've made this point several times in this thread) actually opened the link, you'll see the link relates to Israeli news stories and quotes some of the reporters. However, I'm sure you know better than the BBC reporters who wrote the article.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    This just proves to me that you do not question anything that is being said by the activists, since you've just referred to the account of one of those extremists as a fact.

    An advice to you would be that they were already caught on two lies.
    Thank you for the advice – do you have proof that all the witnesses on the other boats who have reported violence on all their different boats have lied?

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Yeah, those who resisted the boarding. That does not concern the rest of the crew and those who were on all the other ships.
    The IDF troops were mobbed by a gang of ****ing Jihadists. They should have sunk the ****ing boat and sent those wife beating, gay killing, delusional mother ****ers to the bottom.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    The IDF troops were mobbed by a gang of ****ing Jihadists. They should have sunk the ****ing boat and sent those wife beating, gay killing, delusional mother ****ers to the bottom.
    I can't quite work out whether you're being serious. If you are ****! You don't really believe the humanitarian aid activists are all jihadists, do you? Does anyone else believe this?

    If you're not...
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    You should read very carefully: I'm not saying they should not open fire at the rioters, I'm saying they should do it with restraint. To see if restraint was used, it is useful to compare with similar situations, and the riots in France show that it is possible for the policemen to escape without having to kill many rioters.
    Restraint was not blowing the boat out of the ****ing water which they could have easily done.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I can't quite work out whether you're being serious. If you are ****! You don't really believe the humanitarian aid activists are all jihadists, do you? Does anyone else believe this?

    If you're not...

    You seriously need to quit with your propaganda and learn the facts, this was not a humanitarian mission it was organized by the Islamist Insani Yardim Vakfi or IHH of Turkey which funds Hamas and numerous other global jihadist networks:

    IHH, which plays a central role in organizing the flotilla to the Gaza Strip, is a Turkish humanitarian relief fund with a radical Islamic anti-Western orientation. Besides its legitimate philanthropic activities, it supports radical Islamic networks, including Hamas, and at least in the past, even global jihad elements.

    IHH - a Turkish humanitarian relief fund with a radical Islamic anti-Western orientation.
    If this was a humanitarian effort they would have accepted Israelis offer to go to an Israeli port for inspection and then have the goods transferred to Gaza from there. The men on the boat were trained to attack the Israelis when the boarded they ship for inspection and are on the record claiming of dreams of martyrdom and becoming shaheeds.

    Media reports in Ankara on Wednesday revealed that three out of the four Turkish citizens that were killed during the raid declared their wishes to become shahids (martyrs). Another Dutch report claimed a Dutch activist, who was arrested by the IDF is suspected of being a senior Hamas operative.

    3 flotilla fatalities 'dreamt of martyrdom' - Israel News, Ynetnews
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    -- Edit: I find your source disputable since I know there are more than a few fat kids in the Gaza strip.
    I love this thread, so many weak dismissals of otherwise recognised international bodies.

    Firstly the UN, Amnesty, the ICRC, Geneva Conventions and now save the children. Just wow.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    -- I honestly couldn't find the link.
    It's quite a few pages back - I'll find it tomorrow as I'm off to bed soon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    --Watch the videos.
    They are seen wearing gas masks, even in the al-Jazeera video.
    I saw one or two - not enough to count as wholesale preparation in the numbers I've seen on this thread when claims the sole purpose of the mission was violence.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    -- The UN GA has passed all sorts of resolutions condemning Israel (of course, that and 2.25 will get you a ride on the subway). Other international groups like Human Rights Watch have done the same, but much like the UN GA, they have no actual authority.
    I'm aware of the point of view that none of the bodies have any authority - however what I want is examples of actual resolution that show bias against Israel. Any explanation (I know I'm asking a lot) of why the resolutions show bias would help.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    -- You think that getting involved in land operations along the seven-mile Gaza-Egypt border would cause less conflict than this?

    --snip--

    IMO there was absolutely no chance that the flotilla was bringing actual weapons into Gaza, because they had to know that they were going to be inspected and that would have been a huge PR coup for the Israelis. Instead, what they did was pack a whole bunch of things on the top deck of the ship that could be used as weapons in a fight, but which they could also claim were completely innocuous. That's why we saw lead pipes instead of batons and long kitchen knives instead of hunting knives.

    Basically, we're saying the same thing but from different viewpoints. The flotilla organisers have no interest in the tunnels along the Gaza border with Egypt – also that would involve Hamas which is counterproductive. And as I said in earlier posts, it's not possible to bring in the aid required in quantity required through the tunnels.

    Whether the US and pro-Israeli posters like it or not – the intention to highlight the blockade (which doesn't actually hurt Hamas anyway) was always the point. From a strategy POV, it makes perfect sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by ferrugem View Post
    Indeed... if the so called righteous arab neighbours were really concerned about the Palestinians they would have long ago sended them REAL aid..
    Maybe you've missed that there's a blockade at sea and the borders into Gaza are controlled. Maybe you've also missed that Israel strictly controls how much of anything gets in legally into Gaza. Maybe it would help to read the thread?

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    According to the Israeli ambassador to the US, Michael Oren, 100 truckloads of humanitarian aid and food go into Gaza every day. If the flotilla wanted to get humanitarian aid to Gaza they could have simply given it to the Israelis.
    So why do you suppose the UN and other agencies (with a nod to Apocalypse that none of them can be correct) say what Israel gives is not even a quarter of what is actually needed? Maybe because the Israeli Ambassador is saying it – it cannot be questioned?

    If you want a link to what I'm saying – they're all earlier in the thread. Still waiting for evidenced refutes / counter argument from other posters who disagree these agencies findings.

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