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    Re: Israel stations nuclear missile subs off Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    If Israel told Iran it was going to bring its nuclear subs within its territorial waters in order to deliver aid to a group that was fighting Iran from across a border, then Iran would be perfectly within its authority to tell them not to do so. If Israel declared that it would do so anyways regardless of what Iran said and continued to move toward those waters, then Iran would be perfectly justified in taking action to prevent that from happening.
    If.

    And you may have a point IF it was Iran's territorial waters when Iran took action to prevent a breach of its security. But you don't have a point if Iran took action while the Israeli nuclear subs were around say... the Strait of Hormuz.

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    Re: Israel stations nuclear missile subs off Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    If.
    Yes, it's an "if," because we're discussing a hypothetical situation that was created because your original analogy wasn't directly on point.

    And you may have a point IF it was Iran's territorial waters when Iran took action to prevent a breach of its security. But you don't have a point if Iran took action while the Israeli nuclear subs were around say... the Strait of Hormuz.
    In the scenario I mentioned, I think they absolutely would have that authority regardless of whether it was in their water yet or not.
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    Re: Israel stations nuclear missile subs off Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    NO that is against international law called laws of the sea
    There's a lot of IFs that go along with that. If the Iranians are moving to block the free navigation of the straits, that too violates "the law of the sea" and can be acted against.

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    Re: Israel stations nuclear missile subs off Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    In the scenario I mentioned, I think they absolutely would have that authority regardless of whether it was in their water yet or not.
    Well lucky for us opinion does not formulate international law. A preemptive strike when the only credible threat is words will never be justified. A preemptive strike when a credible threats exists and is imminent is completely justified.

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    Re: Israel stations nuclear missile subs off Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Well lucky for us opinion does not formulate international law. A preemptive strike when the only credible threat is words will never be justified. A preemptive strike when a credible threats exists and is imminent is completely justified.
    A ship traveling directly toward territorial water with the stated purpose of delivering aid to people engaged in conflict with the sovereign state constitutes mere words?

    Someone should call Daniel Webster and explain that to him.
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    Re: Israel stations nuclear missile subs off Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Things may be lining up for some major ugliness very soon. Iran and Israel, N and S Korea... and then there's their backers, the USA, Russia and China.
    North Korea has little international support. I think if there is a war the only reason we'll be talking about Chinese troops crossing the Yalu River is because they will be trying to force a swift and decisive halt to any aggression taken by North Korea and to insure Korean reunification happens on terms that are favorable to it.

    As it concerns Iran the most likely scenario seems to be something that is either clearly caused by Israel or the U.S. or something ambiguous. In that scenario I doubt China will likely complain and nothing more, while Russia will strongly back its allies Syria and Iran, though not necessarily with direct military force.
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    Re: Israel stations nuclear missile subs off Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Things may be lining up for some major ugliness very soon. Iran and Israel, N and S Korea... and then there's their backers, the USA, Russia and China.
    We are in a weak position now with our current President...

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    Re: Israel stations nuclear missile subs off Iran

    This is just pure insanity.

    Two primitive nations squaring off in preparation for nuclear strikes, and one of them we even support. Mark my words, if there is a WWIII, it's not going to start with NK or China. It's going to be between Israel and Iran.

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    Re: Israel stations nuclear missile subs off Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    A ship traveling directly toward territorial water with the stated purpose of delivering aid to people engaged in conflict with the sovereign state constitutes mere words?

    Someone should call Daniel Webster and explain that to him.
    Come back when you can prove that a stated purpose of delivering aid is a credible threat.

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    Re: Israel stations nuclear missile subs off Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    This is just pure insanity.

    Two primitive nations squaring off in preparation for nuclear strikes, and one of them we even support. Mark my words, if there is a WWIII, it's not going to start with NK or China. It's going to be between Israel and Iran.
    Its going to be awesome. A climactic failure to weak US foreign policy.

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