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    Re: Israel stations nuclear missile subs off Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    What hypocrisy in this thread.

    Where are the people who were complaining about the provocation from a humanitarian ship in international waters?

    I guess a ship full of blankets and human rights activists is more of a threat than a submarine with nuclear missiles on board. Pathetic.

    There are reports that weapons have already been found on the "humanitarian aid" ship.

    Israel is being threatened with possible ballisitic missle attacks. They are preparing to defend themselves and keeping all options open if their survival is threatened... as any nation would.

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    Re: Israel stations nuclear missile subs off Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    There are reports that weapons have already been found on the "humanitarian aid" ship.

    Israel is being threatened with possible ballisitic missle attacks. They are preparing to defend themselves and keeping all options open if their survival is threatened... as any nation would.
    Knives have been the only thing confirmed. I guess Israel believes Hamas can use knives to create a world class mortar system.

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    Re: Israel stations nuclear missile subs off Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Polynikes View Post
    They can prevent from ships getting in to position to be sunk. There is a small amount of space that is optimal for sinking the ships so they will block the strait, and the commanders of the 5th fleet are well aware of this. Please know a little bit of what you are talking about before you make belligerent sarcastic comments.
    Spread the word because there are quite a few orgs committing precious time and funds to study the effects of a possible war with Iran, and blocking the strait has always been a part of those studies. Whether the american navy is able, and I do have my doubts, to prevent it, does not remove that risk. Since you suggest you really know what you're talking about I hope you realise that Iran wouldn't necessarily play by the rules.

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    Re: Israel stations nuclear missile subs off Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Djoop View Post
    They can prevent ships from sinking? That's pretty awesome!
    They can stop the ships from reaching the straits... by sinking them.

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    Re: Israel stations nuclear missile subs off Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    They can stop the ships from reaching the straits... by sinking them.
    NO that is against international law called laws of the sea

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    Re: Israel stations nuclear missile subs off Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    What hypocrisy in this thread.

    Where are the people who were complaining about the provocation from a humanitarian ship in international waters?

    I guess a ship full of blankets and human rights activists is more of a threat than a submarine with nuclear missiles on board. Pathetic.
    If Israel told Iran it was going to bring its nuclear subs within its territorial waters in order to deliver aid to a group that was fighting Iran from across a border, then Iran would be perfectly within its authority to tell them not to do so. If Israel declared that it would do so anyways regardless of what Iran said and continued to move toward those waters, then Iran would be perfectly justified in taking action to prevent that from happening.
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    Re: Israel stations nuclear missile subs off Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Polynikes View Post
    The U.S 5th fleet is well trained in various scenarios that would threaten the closing of the Strait of Hormuz, I have no doubt about their capabilities to keep the strait open.
    Better keep your fingers crossed.
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    Re: Israel stations nuclear missile subs off Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom View Post
    Better keep your fingers crossed.
    You say that as if you're not hoping for the same thing. Are you excited at the prospect of Iran blocking the straits?
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    Re: Israel stations nuclear missile subs off Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Iran's strategy, if attacked would be to take a few ships out in the Straits of Hormuz and sink them. That would block the majority of the world's oil supply right there. Iran does have other measures at its disposal, but the Straits of Hormuz would be their number one priority.
    This is simply incorrect. Simply sinking a few ships in the Stait of Hormuz would in no way shut it down in the manner this thread seems to indicate. The threat to the area will come from an Iranian anti-ship missile capability. They are well equipped with Silkworm and Seersucker missiles, as well as C-802s. That will be the real problem, especially if they make them all mobile sites. At that point, we would really be unable to hunt them down and kill them before they could deploy.

    Putting that aside however, if Iran does actually pursue this course, one might expect China to react in a very harsh manner, as vast amounts of the oil they consume comes through Hormuz as well.
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    Re: Israel stations nuclear missile subs off Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Djoop View Post
    Spread the word because there are quite a few orgs committing precious time and funds to study the effects of a possible war with Iran, and blocking the strait has always been a part of those studies. Whether the american navy is able, and I do have my doubts, to prevent it, does not remove that risk. Since you suggest you really know what you're talking about I hope you realise that Iran wouldn't necessarily play by the rules.
    They certainly wouldn't play by the rules, and one of the biggest threats I see to this scenario is Iran loading a ship up with civilians, sailing it to the optimal sinking zone, unloading the civilians on to a trailing ship and the proceeding to sink the original ship. The 5th fleet is capable of blockading certain areas, but not en masse, and there would be only so many SEAL platoons capable of boarding and neutralizing such ships.

    Iran's premier anti-ship missile, the SS-N-22 also known as the Sunburn, is one of the scariest aspects of a battle to keep the strait open.

    The Sunburn can deliver a 200-kiloton nuclear payload, or: a 750-pound conventional warhead, within a range of 100 miles, more than twice the range of the Exocet. The Sunburn combines a Mach 2.1 speed (two times the speed of sound) with a flight pattern that hugs the deck and includes "violent end maneuvers" to elude enemy defenses. The missile was specifically designed to defeat the US Aegis radar defense system. Should a US Navy Phalanx point defense somehow manage to detect an incoming Sunburn missile, the system has only seconds to calculate a fire solution not enough time to take out the intruding missile. The US Phalanx defense employs a six-barreled gun that fires 3,000 depleted-uranium rounds a minute, but the gun must have precise coordinates to destroy an intruder "just in time."
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