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    Re: Two Deepwater Horizon Developments To Expect In The Coming Days

    If such a detonation would work, what about a MOAB or MOABs?

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    Re: Two Deepwater Horizon Developments To Expect In The Coming Days

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    If such a detonation would work, what about a MOAB or MOABs?

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    I am not sure, but I do not believe it would work. A moab needs oxygen from the air in order to work, which is why it sucks all the oxygen out of where it is dropped, and one of the ways a MOAB can kill is through asphyxiation. And of course, there is no free oxygen at the bottom of the Gulf.
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    Re: Two Deepwater Horizon Developments To Expect In The Coming Days

    Quote Originally Posted by 505 View Post
    A few things.

    First, the Russians did not have the technology to cement the leaking well at the reservoir. We do.

    Second, the Russians supposedly drilled a relief well to insert the bomb. If it comes down to choice between a nuclear relief well and a non nuclear relief well, I'll take the non nuclear variety please.

    Lastly, any of you that think we can just simply shove a bomb down the hole... do you realize that the pressure beneath the BOP is a staggering 13,500 psi? It is a 21" pipe, which has an area of just a hair over 346". Every single one of these 346 inches is seeing 13,500 psi. So to put this in perspective, if you were to try and plug the pipe by putting a cap on it, the cap would need to weigh 4,671,000 lbs! Good luck trying to send the bomb down that pipe. Nothing is going to work except for the relief wells. Pray that the delays and setbacks on them are minimal folks.
    I'm also wondering about the geology of the aria. What kind of tsunami could a nuclear detonation create, either directly or as being the catalyst for an underwater landslide?

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    Re: Two Deepwater Horizon Developments To Expect In The Coming Days

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    If such a detonation would work, what about a MOAB or MOABs?

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    How do you get a bomb that big down the shaft?

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    Re: Two Deepwater Horizon Developments To Expect In The Coming Days

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    How do you get a bomb that big down the shaft?
    Who says it has to go down the shaft? It would have to be set off on the bottom of the Gulf, at the entrance of the hole.
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    Re: Two Deepwater Horizon Developments To Expect In The Coming Days

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Who says it has to go down the shaft? It would have to be set off on the bottom of the Gulf, at the entrance of the hole.
    Even assuming the MOAB could operate at that depth, that weapon is designed to clear the surface.

    All you would acomplish is wiping the local aria clear of the BOP, which would be like ripping a partial scab off a cut.

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    Re: Two Deepwater Horizon Developments To Expect In The Coming Days

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Even assuming the MOAB could operate at that depth, that weapon is designed to clear the surface.

    All you would acomplish is wiping the local aria clear of the BOP, which would be like ripping a partial scab off a cut.
    1) A MOAB would never work under water. It needs oxygen in order to work.

    2) A small tactical nuke, placed on the bottom, would seal the shaft.
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    Re: Two Deepwater Horizon Developments To Expect In The Coming Days

    From what I read today, it seems they have some new plan to cap or divert it; I don't think it involves nukes, but apparently it won't be effective in stopping the leak until August (if at all).
    Which really sucks.

    I can't believe we're going to allow this to continue for another three months.
    We're killing the ocean and the coastline.
    There will no doubt be far-reaching long term environmental repercussions that we haven't even thought of yet.
    This is the worst. It's the saddest thing.

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    Re: Two Deepwater Horizon Developments To Expect In The Coming Days

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    1) A MOAB would never work under water. It needs oxygen in order to work.

    2) A small tactical nuke, placed on the bottom, would seal the shaft.
    How many other wells are within range of the nuke's shock-wave?

    An example of a deep underwater explosion is the WAHOO test, which was carried out in 1958 as part of Operation Hardtack. The nuclear device was detonated at a depth of 500 ft (150 m) in deep water. There was little evidence of a fireball. The spray dome rose to a height of 900 ft (270 m). Gas from the bubble broke through the spray dome to form jets which shot out in all directions and reached heights of up to 1,700 ft (520 m). The base surge at its maximum size was 2.5 mi (4.0 km) in diameter and 1,000 ft (300 m) high.[2]

    The heights of surface waves generated by deep underwater explosions are greater because more energy is delivered to the water. Deep underwater explosions are thus particularly able to damage coastal areas, because surface waves increase in height as they move over shallow water, and can flood the land beyond the shoreline.[3] Many of the theories and concepts about these waves are similar to those that are applicable to other types of surface waves, in particular, tsunamis, and waves generated by the fall of a meteor.[1]

    If a deep underwater explosion occurs at a sufficient depth, the rising gas bubble can over expand because the gas pressure falls below the pressure of the surrounding water. This causes the bubble to collapse, which causes a second shock wave and bubble expansion. This may be repeated, though there are unlikely to be more than three expansions. An example is the WIGWAM test, which was carried out in 1955. The nuclear device was detonated at a depth of 2,000 ft (610 m).[2]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_explosion

    The deepest underwater nuclear detonation was at 2,000ft. What is your best guess on the damage the waves from a detonation at 5,000ft would cause to the southern coast line?
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    Re: Two Deepwater Horizon Developments To Expect In The Coming Days

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    How many other wells are within range of the nuke's shock-wave?



    Underwater explosion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The deepest underwater nuclear detonation was at 2,000ft. What is your best guess on the damage the waves from a detonation at 5,000ft would cause to the southern coast line?
    We are talking a mile down, and with a weapon of low yield. Apples and oranges.
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