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    Re: BP announces 'top kill' has failed to stop Gulf oil leak

    The leak will be stopped by August this year. This is the same thing that happened during the gulf of campeche oil rig leak in 1979. It will be done by drilling relief wells.

    A caveat: There is more than one leak that they are not telling us about.

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    Re: BP announces 'top kill' has failed to stop Gulf oil leak

    Our local weatherman was kind enough to provide satellite pics of the oil slick this morning and computer simulations. Today it will penetrate deeper into the Louisiana delta. Tomorrow it will begin to impact Mobile, Alabama. By Wednesday or Thursday it will extend to the Florida panhandle.

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    Re: BP announces 'top kill' has failed to stop Gulf oil leak

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Our local weatherman was kind enough to provide satellite pics of the oil slick this morning and computer simulations. Today it will penetrate deeper into the Louisiana delta. Tomorrow it will begin to impact Mobile, Alabama. By Wednesday or Thursday it will extend to the Florida panhandle.
    Yuck. I think one thing we can all agree on is that this whole thing really does suck.
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    Re: BP announces 'top kill' has failed to stop Gulf oil leak

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yuck. I think one thing we can all agree on is that this whole thing really does suck.
    This is only the beginning. The worst is yet to come.

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    Re: BP announces 'top kill' has failed to stop Gulf oil leak

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    This is only the beginning. The worst is yet to come.
    That almost rates as an understatement. The costs of this, the biggest environmental disaster in the history of this Nation, in so many terms, well beyond that which caused it, unmitigated, blind greed will have far-reaching effects we can't even begin to imagine. Hopefully, one of which will be that we finally embrace the reality that if we are to survive as a Nation, we MUST once and for all, divorce our addiction to the suicidal overuse of fossil fuels.

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    Re: BP announces 'top kill' has failed to stop Gulf oil leak

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    We have a lot to thank enviromaniacs and their enablers for.
    Inability to access easier oil.
    Blocking the construction of refineries.
    The 1979 Ixtoc oil spill in the GOM was from a well that was 31 times shallower than Macondo is (160 ft vs 5000 ft). It raged on for almost a YEAR. Sorry but deepwater oil recovery will be going on regardless of what we do in shallower waters and what we do on land. Blaming "enviromaniacs" for deep sea drilling is ridiculous.
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    Re: BP announces 'top kill' has failed to stop Gulf oil leak

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    The leak will be stopped by August this year. This is the same thing that happened during the gulf of campeche oil rig leak in 1979. It will be done by drilling relief wells.

    A caveat: There is more than one leak that they are not telling us about.
    The politicians can't say "it's gona leak until the relief wells are operational, so deal with it". They have to be seen doing something, and sure if some of the oil can be recovered in the process that's bonus.

    IMO its not that they're trying to hide these other leaks, it's that they're making a show of the main leak to focus public attention. I think you're right, the situation won't be resolved until the relief wells are going.

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    Re: BP announces 'top kill' has failed to stop Gulf oil leak

    Quote Originally Posted by 505 View Post
    It is because of the suspected location of the actual leak. Several thousand feet down, the production casing is ruptured. This means that the oil can flow up between the production casing and the outer casing. Normally a blow out will travel between the drill string and the production casing, which is easier to catch in the annular of the BOP. Complicating things further is the fact that there was still 8000+ feet of drill string in the well, with no drill bit on the end. This makes it essentially an open pipe at the bottom. Since the shear rams on the BOP did not completely sever the drill string and close, there is also oil coming out of the drill string. Very very difficult situation here.



    The annular seal that was damaged during drilling is not something you can go in and service while the BOP is in it's current state. Also, the shear rams that were supposed to cut the drill string and then seal failed, apparently because they tried to sever the pipe at one of the joints (which it is not designed to do).



    The concern with this here is that nobody knows what the runaway flow has done to further weaken the BOP. If another were stacked on top and then closed, the extreme pressures that would build up inside of the original BOP could make it fail completely, making the leak astronomically worse. In an even worse case scenario, since there is little confidence in the cement job, the entire production casing could get blown out of the well (along with both BOP's), and now you have a GIANT hole spewing a unrestricted flow from the reservoir.

    LMRP cap has potential, but after they cut off the damaged riser, getting it on there will be like trying to attach a slip fitting onto a firehose while it is blasting full force. This will not fully end until the relief wells are complete and the runaway well is cemented at the reservoir ceiling.
    Thanks for your information. Although I worked in the oil business (refining), I never worked on an offshore rig. Some things cross over, some things don't.

    As for solution you have to just shake your head at some of these arm-chair quarterbacks and their simplification of the situation. At the same time let me say that Jerry and jamesrage are at least putting forth legitimate, reasonable thoughts to their suggestions.

    Just to clarify, I'm not a huge cheerleader for corporations, but I'm 100% positive that BP and associates are doing everything imaginable to bring this well under control. It's costing them money and it's costing them PR. They don't like losing either one. They are calling on the expertise of the world. Scientists, engineers and experts from around the world are examining this problem and offering their solutions.

    As far as the LMRP goes, the only way I can imagine it being installed is with it in the 'open' position. Then using a valve to control the flow to the recovery vessel

    Link to pictoral of LMRP fix

    The LMRP cap is not a cure all, but hopefully it'll slow things down a little.
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    Re: BP announces 'top kill' has failed to stop Gulf oil leak

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Thanks for your information. Although I worked in the oil business (refining), I never worked on an offshore rig. Some things cross over, some things don't.

    As for solution you have to just shake your head at some of these arm-chair quarterbacks and their simplification of the situation. At the same time let me say that Jerry and jamesrage are at least putting forth legitimate, reasonable thoughts to their suggestions.

    Just to clarify, I'm not a huge cheerleader for corporations, but I'm 100% positive that BP and associates are doing everything imaginable to bring this well under control. It's costing them money and it's costing them PR. They don't like losing either one. They are calling on the expertise of the world. Scientists, engineers and experts from around the world are examining this problem and offering their solutions.

    As far as the LMRP goes, the only way I can imagine it being installed is with it in the 'open' position. Then using a valve to control the flow to the recovery vessel

    Link to pictoral of LMRP fix

    The LMRP cap is not a cure all, but hopefully it'll slow things down a little.
    Or it could cause another rupture in the bottom.

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    Re: BP announces 'top kill' has failed to stop Gulf oil leak

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah
    Our local weatherman was kind enough to provide satellite pics of the oil slick this morning and computer simulations. Today it will penetrate deeper into the Louisiana delta. Tomorrow it will begin to impact Mobile, Alabama. By Wednesday or Thursday it will extend to the Florida panhandle.
    That's just what you see on the surface. Think of what can't be seen. Product being carried by underwater currents (imagine underwater rivers).
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