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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    How many actual credible lawyers have to tell you there is NO CRIME here before the far-righties drop this and move on to something else?
    ROTFLMFAO... Squirm Baby Squirm!!! LOL

    That is why Sestak said he was offered a job, and why Obama released the BS parade before a long weekend.

    We are not going to drop this. Why should we?
    Watching THE ARROGANT ONE illustrate what he means by "most ethical" is priceless.

    Sestak made it plain and clear 3-MONTHS ago and several times therafter that he was offered a job to get out of the race with Specter.

    LOL... of course that doesn't count. ROTFLMFAOSHIH.... He wasn't schooled in Obama-Lies or Clintonese.
    But he is proving a fast leasrner. Soon he will have his own School of Deception.

    It does not matter if that job was dog catcher for ZERO cash.
    Does not matter.

    PS. I enjoy watching you Libs squirm... it's vunderful.
    Gotta get more popcorn.

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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    ROTFLMFAO... Squirm Baby Squirm!!! LOL
    I'm glad you find it amusing that credible lawyers (people who understand the law) have stated there is no crime.

    Zimmer:

    Answer this -- Why is acknowledging that statement by lawyers from both sides 'squirming'?

    I would argue that denying or avoiding the statements made by credible lawyers is squirming. You've been told that the facts don't support the 'bribery' talking point made by pundits on Fox News. So now what? You could:
    a) accept this and move on
    b) accept this but condemn the politics as usual practice
    c) deny this and continue believing a falsehood


    That is why Sestak said he was offered a job, and why Obama released the BS parade before a long weekend.
    What is why? I honestly don't know what 'that' refers to.

    We are not going to drop this. Why should we?
    Watching THE ARROGANT ONE illustrate what he means by "most ethical" is priceless.
    Fair enough. Next time the GOP engages in this exact same practice, I'll expect the same reaction.
    If you really wanted to be honest, you could go back and name instances when other administrations did this and you condemned it.

    Sestak made it plain and clear 3-MONTHS ago and several times therafter that he was offered a job to get out of the race with Specter.
    By your initial LOL reaction, I thought you were going to actually make a case for it being a crime, instead you just recite the facts, relevant and otherwise. You can laugh all you want at the Dem squirming, but that doesn't make this a crime. In fact the more you laugh, the more time the other side spends pulling out the history of every GOP Administration who did the exact same thing. What a great use of time--laughing and finger pointing.

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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No, legally we need facts to charge them with something.
    Then I'd assume you'd agree to support a special prosecutor and investigation to either exonerate or charge those involved?
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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    Slick Willie strikes again.
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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    Fair enough. Next time the GOP engages in this exact same practice, I'll expect the same reaction.
    If you really wanted to be honest, you could go back and name instances when other administrations did this and you condemned it.
    And with this statement you ADMIT a crime was committed.
    Yes, if a Republican did this, he would be subject to the same law. 18 USC 600

    By your initial LOL reaction, I thought you were going to actually make a case for it being a crime, instead you just recite the facts, relevant and otherwise.
    All you need to do is read the interview with Larry Kane.
    All the evidence is right there in that interview.
    Sestak admits to being offered a job from the White House.

    The Joe Sestak “Question” – Anatomy Of An Interview That Spread Like Wildfire at The Larry Kane Report

    Were you ever offered a job to get out of this race? (The contest against Arlen Specter).

    Sestak didn’t flinch .

    “Yes,” he answered.


    “Was it Navy Secretary?”, I asked

    “No comment.”

    He proceeded to talk about staying in the race but added that “he was called many times” to pull out.

    Later, I asked, “So you were offered a job by someone in the White House?”

    He said, “Yes.”

    When the taping stopped, Joe Sestak looked surprised .

    “You are the first person who ever asked me that question.”

    And that was true. But why was I the first. There was buzz about this story since last summer. A few days before the February 18th taping of Voice Of Reason for The Comcast Network, I was advised by two reliable sources that someone in or close to the White House had dangled a high level job offer to Sestak, to give a clear path to Senator Specter for the nomination. I thought it would be a good thing to pose the question to Sestak in the upcoming interview.
    Of course, such blatantly obvious facts do not penetrate minds like yours.

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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Of course, such blatantly obvious facts do not penetrate minds like yours.

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    The only facts that matter to Hazlnut, Deuce and others parroting the WH line, is that it's the WH line.

    They CANNOT BRING themselves to read the excerpt that you posted with a critical... or hell even just a curious eye because the Sestak comments do not, cannot jive with the Obama story put out Friday.

    And they are far too reliant on being told HOW to think and WHAT to think to consider any evidence that contradicts the official WH story.


    I'd love to believe the "Bill asked him for us in an offhand way" but Sestak's initial comments, and all the way up to Friday's big release by the Obama WH do not match.
    So either Sestak is a raving lunatic, or the WH is lying. Either way, it's worth the effort to find the truth. 3 star Admirals generally have a good grasp on the facts, but it appears he either DID NOT, or he's rolled over and is ethically compromised by parroting their story.
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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    ADMIRAL sestak would have to be as small minded as obama's supporters to try to foist off on the voters of pennsylvania a discussion of OPTIONS for ADVISORY positions that are UNPAID as a HI RANKING job OFFER dangled BY THE WHITE HOUSE in RETURN for his dropping out of the senate primary

    ADMIRAL sestak cannot possibly be that petty

    ie, no independent thinker could possibly believe barrister bauer's blarney

    "we discussed options about the admiral joining an advisory board in a voluntary capacity to avoid a potentially divisive primary..."

    LOL!

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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    Legal Ethics Forum: Joe Sestak

    I thought this was interesting to say the least. He is saying that it isn't a bribe, but just politics as usual. I that this person does quite well in telling his arrangement in a non biased way.

    . I would prefer if the White House were to stay out of Democratic primaries and focus on the tasks at hand. Then again, President Bush occasionally intervened in Republican primaries (including on behalf of Senator Specter in 2004). The less partisan politics in the White House the better (I would like to see the President abolish the White House Office of Political Affairs). This, however, is nothing new and it hardly rises to the level of a major ethics controversy.
    I also found this part a little bit more interesting, because of the bolder part I was young during the bush years, so I'm not sure, if this happen, or not thought

    Legal Ethics Forum: Congressman Issa's Letter re: Sestak
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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Ok, partisans hacks:
    Pot meet kettle.

    Are you really saying that party strategy is illegal? Because that is precisely what this is, and Republicans do it too, from the highest to the lowest levels. This is just the best scandal they can come up with in the runup to the midterms.

    This is the Democratic Party leadership saying "I think it would be better for our overall party strategy for you to have this position and to let such and such run unimpeded for that position". There is nothing illegal about this, and the Republicans know it. But, they know that the good Americans they use will believe it to be a scandal, for a while, which is insulting to the intelligence of those Americans that do. One of these days, they'll realize they are being used and it will backfire on the Republican party. One thing Democrats don't do is insult their own partisans.
    How about commenting on the actual law?
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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    Could just one liberal argue that they didn't break this law and why?

    Federal statute 18 USC 600, which says the following:

    Whoever, directly or indirectly, promises any employment, position, compensation, contract, appointment, or other benefit, provided for or made possible in whole or in part by any Act of Congress, or any special consideration in obtaining any such benefit, to any person as consideration, favor, or reward for any political activity or for the support of or opposition to any candidate or any political party in connection with any general or special election to any political office, or in connection with any primary election or political convention or caucus held to select candidates for any political office, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both
    Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

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