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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    the ax is a hack

    White House Wards Off Questions about Alleged Sestak Job Offer - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

    On CNN, Axelrod agreed that if Sestak's assertions were true, "they would constitute a serious breach of the law"

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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I know it's splitting hairs, but there IS a difference between "offering" someone something and "promising" someone something. Example:

    "If you drop out of the campaign, I can assure you a position on such and such counsel."

    ...VERSUS...

    "Would you be interested in a position on such and such counsel in lieu of continuing as a Congressman in the House of Representatives?"

    There's a difference between the two. Add in the fact that it was a former President who made the offer and is obviously familiar with this particular law and knows exactly how to avoid stepping into that legal minefield, and what you get is a situation that looks unethical, but legally is not.

    Of course, we all know the Obama Administration did a round-robin here compliments of Bill Clinton, but it still looks bad. Politics as usual I suppose. At worse, Rahm Emanual pays a fine; at best DOJ stands by its position and nothing comes of this. I think we'll see the latter happen because in all honestly no law has been broken.

    Sidenote: Even if such a thing has been done by prior White House administrations, it's still bad form.
    It's an interesting situation at the moment. When the White House first came out with their explanation ("Clinton and Unpaid Advisor") my impression was/is that it just doesn't pass the smell test. Doesn't line up with Sestak's earlier comments and the "Unpaid" part is way to convenient. Still smells and am suspicious that all or most of the story my be bogus.

    That said, am guessing that in semi-worse case scenario, if there really had been a Naval Secretary offer to Sestak (in return for dropping out of the Senate race) it would never have resulted in an actual prosecution. That probably is too close to" business as usual" in Washington and the parties involved could/would have talked their way out of it.

    But there would have been the potential for large political damage. And at a time that the Administration could ill afford it. So at this point the story will either fade away, helped along by the Friday release timing of the explanation (btw...very smart). Or some news agency (or political opponent) could keep plugging away and MAY find hole/inconsistency in the WH explanation. (really would only take one "insider" coming forward if there actually is a scandal being suppressed here)

    As is often the case in politics. It ain't the misdeed that leads to the firestorm, its the effort to cover it up.



    Time will tell.....

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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It's not what was done, but HOW it was done. Legally, we need facts in order to exonerate the White House and Sestak.
    No, legally we need facts to charge them with something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    sestak's personal testimony, repeated oft, witnessed by millions: I WAS OFFERED A JOB BY THE WHITE HOUSE TO DROP OUT OF THE PRIMARY

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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    It's simply amazing how quickly the sheep flock to the Fox News "legal analysts" (who must have gotten their law degree from Sam's Club) and this moronic distraction...

    Let's see, last month they found Obama's Katrina, not they have his Watergate... If they dumb the argument down any more, it will be pre-schoolers finger painting...

    Right-wing media dub false allegations about Sestak "bribe" as "Obama's Watergate"

    Sloan: "There is no bribery case here." Talking Points Memo's Zachary Roth reported in a May 25 post that "several experts tell TPMmuckraker this is much ado about nothing" and quoted Sloan saying, "There is no bribery case here. ... No statute has ever been used to prosecute anybody for bribery in circumstances like this." Sloan also said: "It's not at all about whether there was actual criminal wrongdoing. ... It's about how to go after Sestak."

    Brand: "I don't put much stock in this, and I don't think its gonna go anywhere;" charges have "no legal substance." Roth also quoted Stan Brand, a "prominent Washington criminal defense lawyer," saying that "people horse trade politically all the time. ... So I don't put much stock in this, and I don't think its gonna go anywhere." Brand is also quoted in Mother Jones magazine saying claims that the alleged actions are illegal "is a nice political ploy. ... But it has no legal substance. The president can promise Sestak the moon for a political reason. That's the system."

    Zeidenberg: "Horrible precedent" to treat "horsetrading" "in the criminal context." Roth also quoted Peter Zeidenberg, a former federal prosecutor with the Justice Department's Public Integrity unit, saying, "Talk about criminalizing the political process!... It would be horrible precedent if what really truly is political horsetrading were viewed in the criminal context of: is this a corrupt bribe?"
    How many actual credible lawyers have to tell you there is NO CRIME here before the far-righties drop this and move on to something else?

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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    How many actual credible lawyers have to tell you there is NO CRIME here before the far-righties drop this and move on to something else?
    They can't and they won't. They have to find any excuse to nail something to the president, and will not stop til he's been drawn, quartered and his head and limbs have been sent to the four corners of America. At least that's the way it feels. Any little thing they can get to pin on him, and they're there screaming and shouting, with foam coming out of their mouths.

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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    It's okay, at least with this we'll get the Penn Senate Seat for sure now.

    Sestak can be easily cast as an idiot. He CLAIMED right up until the WH cooked up this explanation, that someone "IN THE WHITE HOUSE" offered him a job to drop out of the race. But now he's on record as saying it was an innocent inquiry by Bill Clinton. So you can imagine what the GOP ads against him are gonna be like right? "Sestak, he thinks Bill Clinton still works in the White House"
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No, legally we need facts to charge them with something.
    True, but the biggest fact is Sestak's interview with Larry Kane.
    That was an unscripted, unadulterated, UnObama'd moment.
    It revealed clearly a job was offered... by the man on the receiving end of the offer.

    Sestak sure did not seem too confident with his story yesterday. He couldn't even remember the job offered him.
    U-N-C-R-E-D-I-B-L-E.
    Like Obama himself, and the proven perjurer brought in to take the hit.

    But... he admitted a job was offered and that is all that matters.

    What is now required is a Grand Jury looking at all manner of records; phone call records, emails, letters, and transcripts of lawyers deposing droves of people.
    Sestak's wife and staff for starters.

    The fan has been hit with a full load, we smell it... and soon will see it flying.
    Obi's drones will have to duck and cover.

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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It's not what was done, but HOW it was done. Legally, we need facts in order to exonerate the White House and Sestak.
    How can they be exonerated if they've never been convicted of a crime?

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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    They can't and they won't. They have to find any excuse to nail something to the president, and will not stop til he's been drawn, quartered and his head and limbs have been sent to the four corners of America. At least that's the way it feels. Any little thing they can get to pin on him, and they're there screaming and shouting, with foam coming out of their mouths.
    It was almost laughable, if it were so totally irresponsible and overtly partisan, when FNC started raising the "is this impeachable?" question.

    They've become right-wing talk radio on TV -- bombarding their viewers with moronic talking points. 0 credibility.

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