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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

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    Fox news already handled that.

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    I do, but it's more fun to watch folks like you spin against the HATED FOX NEWS then it is for me to wade around the web. Ya know, what's funnier is that my wife called this reaction when I posted this!

    My question is, instead of whining about my using Fox... why don't you post articles from "more trustworthy" sites?
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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    typical that they would point to how this is how things get done in Washington. The fact that it is illegal does not seem to matter since it is 'how things are done'
    pathetic disgrace, but carry on

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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    typical that they would point to how this is how things get done in Washington. The fact that it is illegal does not seem to matter since it is 'how things are done'
    pathetic disgrace, but carry on
    Even Sestak says nothing illegal happened so I really don't get where people assume that something illegal did happen.
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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Even Sestak says nothing illegal happened so I really don't get where people assume that something illegal did happen.
    By his own admission he was offered a job not to run.

    I do find it amusing that you think Sestak's opinion means anything.


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    Based on his own admission he was offered a job even though he claims it did not have immediate finantial value it was still an appointment.
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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I know it's splitting hairs, but there IS a difference between "offering" someone something and "promising" someone something. Example:

    "If you drop out of the campaign, I can assure you a position on such and such counsel."

    ...VERSUS...

    "Would you be interested in a position on such and such counsel in lieu of continuing as a Congressman in the House of Representatives?"

    There's a difference between the two. Add in the fact that it was a former President who made the offer and is obviously familiar with this particular law and knows exactly how to avoid stepping into that legal minefield, and what you get is a situation that looks unethical, but legally is not.

    Of course, we all know the Obama Administration did a round-robin here compliments of Bill Clinton, but it still looks bad. Politics as usual I suppose. At worse, Rahm Emanual pays a fine; at best DOJ stands by its position and nothing comes of this. I think we'll see the latter happen because in all honestly no law has been broken.

    Sidenote: Even if such a thing has been done by prior White House administrations, it's still bad form.
    Even George Stephanopolous knew how to hint at a job offer in 1992.
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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Even Sestak says nothing illegal happened so I really don't get where people assume that something illegal did happen.
    Why shouldn't he say in the past and even now, nothing illegal happened? First - is he a judge or lawyer well versed in Title 18 section 26? No. Does he benefit in the public view denying anything illegal happend? Of course! So at this point, Sestak really isn't too trustworthy - though he has been consistent in he was offered a job not by Bill Clinton - why by the way is NOT part of the White House, which is not what he affirmed in multiple interviews. There's some little inconsistencies there and now to hear that Bill Clinton - the most influential ex-President, was sent in to have a 30-50 second conversation to offer Sestak a non-paying job while keeping his House seat as incentive to not run against Specter?

    Dunno but that's not much of an incentive. I think we need the FBI or the Pennsylvania AG to open an investigation of the DoJ and Holder will not assign a special prosecutor, to investigate and find out exactly what DID happen.
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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    Ok, partisans hacks:

    Are you really saying that party strategy is illegal? Because that is precisely what this is, and Republicans do it too, from the highest to the lowest levels. This is just the best scandal they can come up with in the runup to the midterms.

    This is the Democratic Party leadership saying "I think it would be better for our overall party strategy for you to have this position and to let such and such run unimpeded for that position". There is nothing illegal about this, and the Republicans know it. But, they know that the good Americans they use will believe it to be a scandal, for a while, which is insulting to the intelligence of those Americans that do. One of these days, they'll realize they are being used and it will backfire on the Republican party. One thing Democrats don't do is insult their own partisans.
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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Ok, partisans hacks:

    Are you really saying that party strategy is illegal? Because that is precisely what this is, and Republicans do it too, from the highest to the lowest levels. This is just the best scandal they can come up with in the runup to the midterms.

    This is the Democratic Party leadership saying "I think it would be better for our overall party strategy for you to have this position and to let such and such run unimpeded for that position". There is nothing illegal about this, and the Republicans know it. But, they know that the good Americans they use will believe it to be a scandal, for a while, which is insulting to the intelligence of those Americans that do. One of these days, they'll realize they are being used and it will backfire on the Republican party. One thing Democrats don't do is insult their own partisans.
    It's not what was done, but HOW it was done. Legally, we need facts in order to exonerate the White House and Sestak.
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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    Anyone know off this "Romanoff" story? I was looking into more of the Sestak quotes on various news shows to see what he's said and where those pesky inconsistencies were - and I come across this story from Denver Post:

    Quote Originally Posted by Denver Post
    WASHINGTON — Not long after news leaked last month that Andrew Romanoff was determined to make a Democratic primary run against Sen. Michael Bennet, Romanoff received an unexpected communication from one of the most powerful men in Washington.

    Jim Messina, President Barack Obama's deputy chief of staff and a storied fixer in the White House political shop, suggested a place for Romanoff might be found in the administration and offered specific suggestions, according to several sources who described the communication to The Denver Post.

    Romanoff turned down the overture, which included mention of a job at USAID, the foreign aid agency, sources said.
    D.C. job alleged as attempt to deter Romanoff - The Denver Post

    So the op-ed of the Denver Post --- finally puts 2 and 2 together and puts out an interesting scenario. "What if Sestak isn't the only one?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Denver Post
    You might be able to ignore Sestak, but another similar story makes the plot far more plausible.

    None of this is exactly shocking stuff — but I was actually slightly surprised to find out that job offers of this variety were illegal. Yet, it is one thing for an administration to "urge" someone to make room for a preferred candidate and quite another for it to use its power to offer (or even discuss) a taxpayer-funded position as a payoff.

    Don't take my word for it. Axelrod says it's a breach of law.

    Interesting... now there's smoke from both Pennsylvania and Colorado. How many more smoking areas will need to crop up to investigate I wonder?
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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