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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    The difference is that the items you cite concerning Bush and Reagan are not actions takien in concert with the preferred result of an electiuon.
    Yeah they are, and the fact Sestake is just rubbing this information in right know was only, because he had lost. Funny, how that happens.... However the things I did site was in fact party to the fact they were threatening to judge what he did in his eight years in office.

    AND the fact they were trying to move districts in order to change election outcomes, and how is that not a preferred result of a election?
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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post

    Let the spinning begin!
    Fox news already handled that.

    Let me ask you Vicchio, have you ever attempted to pick apart a story, goto some other sources, getting multiple perspectives and then deciding for yourself what the truth is?

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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post

    So, by your logic, someone doing something wrong once apon a time and getting away with it, equates with a person doing something wrong now, and this new person should get a pass?

    There are thousands of murderers in prison right now who will be very glad to know this.

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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/med...Memorandum.pdf

    this white house is so stupid

    its own lawyers write, "options for executive branch service were raised"

    "efforts were made in june and july of 2009 to determine whether congressman sestak would be interested in service on a presidential or other senior executive branch advisory board"

    "which would avoid a divisive senate primary"

    exactly

    june AND july?

    clinton made TWO phone calls?

    it doesn't add up, it's so disproportional

    to include a FORMER PRESIDENT in a job offer, er, discussion of options, for a postion with no power, a glorified internship?

    why would an ADMIRAL give up a shot at the SENATE to serve on an ADVISORY BOARD?

    it's LOL! material

    "the advisory positions discussed with congressman sestak, while important to the administration, would have been uncompensated," stresses counsel

    again...

    wapo reports that president clinton discussed OPTIONS for UNPAID work of ADVISORY nature to AVOID A DIVISIVE PRIMARY "on behalf of chief of staff rahm"

    washingtonpost.com

    "and in colorado former state house speaker andrew romanoff has said that [deputy chief of staff jim] messina offered him an administration job if he dropped out of his primary campaign against michael bennet," the former supt of denver's public school system (an education liberal) who was leapfrogged ahead of establishment western dems in the rocky mountain state when president pie-in-the-face pulled up ken salazar to screw up interior

    underlying all the legalese, always, is sestak's candid and clear assertion, many times repeated, that HE WAS OFFERED A JOB TO QUIT THE PRIMARY

    the legalities will go nowhere in washington, what with hasan's honey, holder, handling the doj, what with roadblock reid running senate

    but it exposes as preposterous the president's pretty pictures of hope and any kind of change honest folks can believe in

    this little incident is BUSINESS AS USUAL at its ugliest worst

    not good

    especially in THIS particular climate

    but more, obtuse obama, as always, comes off as a fool, his admin's handling of this so clumsily incompetent, a political naif

    it's a BLAGO move

    the prez is a phony, he's arrogant, and he's not very bright

    sorry
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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    NOT fox news:

    Clinton 'whiff of scandal' returns - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com

    Bill Clinton’s picture is again a fixture on cable news.

    Republicans are sternly demanding a special prosecutor.

    And legal commentators are bickering over the finer points of federal criminal statutes on bribery and graft.

    It feels like 1997—but it’s 2010. And Barack Obama can’t be happy.

    The White House’s confirmation Friday that it enlisted former President Bill Clinton in an effort to get Rep. Joe Sestak out of the Pennsylvania Senate primary has sent the regular players in Washington’s scandal industry to their battle stations – to pick over the very sort of insider special dealing that Obama had promised to make a thing of the past.

    “That’s not the image he wants to project right now with all the things that are going on,” said Mark Rozell, a George Mason University professor who has written at length on the Clinton-era scandals.

    The use of Clinton as the conduit to offer Sestak an advisory board position is like catnip for cable television and for Republicans who have plenty of experience painting the former president as ethically challenged.

    “I’m sure there’s substantial precedent for an administration to subtly suggest to a potential candidate, ‘Maybe you’d like to step aside.’ But [the fact that] this controversy involves a former president who just happens to be married to a member of his Cabinet just moves this to a whole different level,” Rozell said. “Clinton’s administration was involved in a number of ethics controversies and investigations just like this……This looks like a rookie administration type of mistake.”

    A good part of Obama’s appeal to the Democratic electorate in 2008 was that he didn’t carry the baggage of scandal that rival Hillary Clinton and her husband Bill did. Obama and his aides actively sought to stoke that perception by repeatedly insisting on full transparency from the Clinton camp and making pointed legislative proposals like mandating disclosure of all donations to presidential libraries and all lobbying for presidential pardons.

    At the time the Clintons maintained that the “whiff-of-scandal” standard was deeply unfair when there was no substance to many of the charges leveled during the Clinton years. They also grumbled that Obama was aligning himself with right-wingers who built an industry out of accusing the Clintons of everything ranging from real estate scams to murder.

    Now, Obama aides find themselves complaining that their White House is being tarred by unsubstantiated allegations and erroneous legal conclusions.

    Part of the White House’s defense Friday was to claim, in essence, that offering administration posts to get a candidate out of a primary race is politics as usual. “There have been numerous, reported instances in the past when prior Administrations—both Democratic and Republican, and motivated by the same goals—discussed alternative paths to service for qualified individuals also considering campaign for public office,” White House counsel Bob Bauer wrote in a brief memo released Friday. “Such discussions are fully consistent with the relevant law and ethical requirements.”

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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    So, by your logic, someone doing something wrong once apon a time and getting away with it, equates with a person doing something wrong now, and this new person should get a pass?

    There are thousands of murderers in prison right now who will be very glad to know this.
    Nope, I just think nothing was done wrong, if the investigation team say no law was broken. I tend to believe the FBI over some idiot who is sore for losing an election. Plus the fact the people allowed Bush to get away with it, because they were in fear of being arrested.
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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    smaller and smaller they shrink

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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    Uhh______ Ok Prof

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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    I know it's splitting hairs, but there IS a difference between "offering" someone something and "promising" someone something. Example:

    "If you drop out of the campaign, I can assure you a position on such and such counsel."

    ...VERSUS...

    "Would you be interested in a position on such and such counsel in lieu of continuing as a Congressman in the House of Representatives?"

    There's a difference between the two. Add in the fact that it was a former President who made the offer and is obviously familiar with this particular law and knows exactly how to avoid stepping into that legal minefield, and what you get is a situation that looks unethical, but legally is not.

    Of course, we all know the Obama Administration did a round-robin here compliments of Bill Clinton, but it still looks bad. Politics as usual I suppose. At worse, Rahm Emanual pays a fine; at best DOJ stands by its position and nothing comes of this. I think we'll see the latter happen because in all honestly no law has been broken.

    Sidenote: Even if such a thing has been done by prior White House administrations, it's still bad form.
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    Re: White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    eric holder's doj?

    LOL!
    let's see
    that DOJ document was prepared 2007
    was holder the attorney general at that time?
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    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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