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    Re: Arizona Gets Border Soldiers; None for Texas Perry's request goes ignored for mor

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    Texas is hardly a massive net contributor when it comes to tax dollars. Being from Minnesota I'm afraid I'm going to have to reject this proposal.
    tex is right though. They get a 6 cent loss per dollar.

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    Re: Arizona Gets Border Soldiers; None for Texas Perry's request goes ignored for mor

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    Texas is hardly a massive net contributor when it comes to tax dollars. Being from Minnesota I'm afraid I'm going to have to reject this proposal.
    Those figures are very misleading. You'll notice that a lot of those states in the top twenty are among our least populated. Build 100 miles of interstate through one of those states and boom your figure rise dramatically compared to a very populated state. Let's compare the total of what New York gets to what South Dakota gets. It would be huge. So this little chart doesn't really tell the story you are presenting.

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    Re: Arizona Gets Border Soldiers; None for Texas Perry's request goes ignored for mor

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    Texas is hardly a massive net contributor when it comes to tax dollars. Being from Minnesota I'm afraid I'm going to have to reject this proposal.
    The problem with this argument is that it relies on an implication that we all know is false. When you say "red states pay less in taxes and get more from the gov than blue states," the implications is that republicans pay less in taxes and get more from the gov than democrats. However, the wealthy are substantially more likely to be republicans, while the poor are overwhelmingly likely to be democrats. Accordingly, charts like this are highly misleading.
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    Re: Arizona Gets Border Soldiers; None for Texas Perry's request goes ignored for mor

    Is everyone going to quote that bright graph, it's hurting my eyes.

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    Re: Arizona Gets Border Soldiers; None for Texas Perry's request goes ignored for mor

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    Those figures are very misleading. You'll notice that a lot of those states in the top twenty are among our least populated. Build 100 miles of interstate through one of those states and boom your figure rise dramatically compared to a very populated state. Let's compare the total of what New York gets to what South Dakota gets. It would be huge. So this little chart doesn't really tell the story you are presenting.
    He's also making my point for me. We have a massive problem with illegals in this state so if he wants more of our money give us the troops so we can seal up the border, deport the illegals and have more money for the government.

    Its also relying on a 5 year old study but of course that isn't a surprise considering the source.

    http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/266.html
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    Re: Arizona Gets Border Soldiers; None for Texas Perry's request goes ignored for mor

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    Arizona Gets Border Soldiers; None for Texas | NBC Dallas-Fort Worth



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    If they had the authority to prevent illegal crossing or arrest or detain those crosing the border illegally then those 1,200 troops would be a good thing. All they did was give the cosmetic appearance that they were doing something about the border.
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    Re: Arizona Gets Border Soldiers; None for Texas Perry's request goes ignored for mor

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    We all know those troops he sent are nothing but a political ploy. Throw some breadcrumbs at people asking for bread.
    Actually it's more like they just showing pictures of bread crumbs to the people asking for bread seeing how the troops on the border do not have any authority to detain,arrest or prevent illegal crossing.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Arizona Gets Border Soldiers; None for Texas Perry's request goes ignored for mor

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Yep. We have been told the 1200 NG is for observing and reporting. They won't engage. How in the heck is that going to help secure the border. Better head count on who crosses?
    I think you've watched Red Dawn too many times.

    So, you'd have the U.S. military open fire on unarmed Mexicans?

    Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free... (for target practice)??

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    Re: Arizona Gets Border Soldiers; None for Texas Perry's request goes ignored for mor

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    I think you've watched Red Dawn too many times.

    So, you'd have the U.S. military open fire on unarmed Mexicans?

    Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free... (for target practice)??
    Are you so delusional you think the only meaning of engage is opening fire?

    And you claim he's seen Red Dawn too many times.
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    Re: Arizona Gets Border Soldiers; None for Texas Perry's request goes ignored for mor

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    Those figures are very misleading.
    How so?

    You'll notice that a lot of those states in the top twenty are among our least populated.
    A lot? So, you're saying less people, less federal income tax. That only covers individuals. What about the businesses and corporations in those states? Can't those big farms and corn fields carry the load? Oops...



    Build 100 miles of interstate through one of those states and boom your figure rise dramatically compared to a very populated state.
    So your point here is that these rankings may very from year to year depending on public works projects etc. Fair enough. But vary how much?


    Let's compare the total of what New York gets to what South Dakota gets. It would be huge.
    New York gets $0.79 for every $1 they contribute...

    South Dakota get $1.53 for every $1 they contribute...

    Hmmm. Not sure what your point is, but it seems like SD owes NY a huge thank you.

    The one thing this chart tells me (which I already knew) the majority of the people on welfare are of a light complexion and live in the South. The myth of urban welfare mom was created to bring the old southern Dems over to the GOP.


    So this little chart doesn't really tell the story you are presenting.
    Unfortunately, your thin argument does really nothing to support that.

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