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NYers wage jihad vs. WTC mosque

Deuce said:
Because some Christian priests molest children. Therefore, all Christians should have a two-block restraining order from children. Kinda like the "no-mosque zone" you seem to support because some Muslims happened to cause harm.
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I don't support a, "no mosque zone", if Muslims open their mosques for worship by anyone of any faith. Child molesting preists aside, most Christian churches that I know of, including the Catholic church I attend bar Muslims from attending worship, as I've pointed out in an earlier post.
 
Hoplite said:
I dont see what this has to do with opening a mosque near ground zero.

Also, out of curiosity, there was an initiative a while back for a national reporting system (I cant remember if it was under Bush or Obama) whereby citizens were encouraged to report suspicious behavior....and people were up in arms about that. Why is THAT not ok but expecting the Muslim community to police itself is?
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I think that's been known as, "neighborhood watch", and has been going on for a couple decades, now. Do you support it? I do.
 
apdst said:
I don't support a, "no mosque zone", if Muslims open their mosques for worship by anyone of any faith. Child molesting preists aside, most Christian churches that I know of, including the Catholic church I attend bar Muslims from attending worship, as I've pointed out in an earlier post.
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Oh, sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you were discussing the thread's actual topic.

edit: So am I to understand that you're ok with a mosque only if it's open to non-muslims? Do you feel the same about Catholic churches? Should a Catholic church be able to bar muslims?
 
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apdst said:
I think that's been known as, "neighborhood watch", and has been going on for a couple decades, now. Do you support it? I do.
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No, no I really dont. The neighborhood watch in my area is an abject pain in the ass. I've had to speak to the police several times because I was "brandishing" weapons in my front yard, or at least that's what neighborhood watch said.

Apparently loading and unloading martial arts equipment from your car is now "brandishing"
 
apdst said:
I don't support a, "no mosque zone", if Muslims open their mosques for worship by anyone of any faith. Child molesting preists aside, most Christian churches that I know of, including the Catholic church I attend bar Muslims from attending worship, as I've pointed out in an earlier post.
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So does your church allow Muslims to attend worship or does it bar them from attending worship? If it allows them to worship, can they pray towards Mecca as Muslims? Can Satanists practice Satanism in your church?
 
Hoplite said:
No, no I really dont. The neighborhood watch in my area is an abject pain in the ass. I've had to speak to the police several times because I was "brandishing" weapons in my front yard, or at least that's what neighborhood watch said.

Apparently loading and unloading martial arts equipment from your car is now "brandishing"
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Sounds like you have too many Libbos in your hood, dude...:rofl

I bet if someone was breaking into your crib and stealing your ****, those same ****ers wouldn't say a word.
 
Anarcho-fascist said:
So does your church allow Muslims to attend worship or does it bar them from attending worship? If it allows them to worship, can they pray towards Mecca as Muslims? Can Satanists practice Satanism in your church?
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The church I go to allows anyone to come and worship. "Worship", in a house of worship shouldn't intefere with the worshipers. If it does, then, yes, there's a problem. That's just common sense.

At the end of the day, why would a statanist want to worship in a Christian church?
 
apdst said:
The church I go to allows anyone to come and worship. "Worship", in a house of worship shouldn't intefere with the worshipers. If it does, then, yes, there's a problem. That's just common sense.
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Would you support forcing every church in the nation to allow all worshipers that don't disrupt other worshipers?

apdst said:
At the end of the day, why would a statanist want to worship in a Christian church?
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Let's say, hypothetically, that one did, would it be OK for your church to forbid it?
 
Anarcho-fascist said:
Would you support forcing every church in the nation to allow all worshipers that don't disrupt other worshipers?
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"Forcing"? No. Encouraging? Yes. Muslims church building a church next to Ground Zero? Yes, I would be way more accepting, if they were more accepting. Wouldn't you?

Let's say, hypothetically, that one did, would it be OK for your church to forbid it?
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If that person didn't disrupt the worship of others, then, yes, I believe it would be ok. What better way to sway a satanist, than to expose him to your way of thinking? Common sense rules over all.
 
apdst said:
"Forcing"? No. Encouraging? Yes. Muslims church building a church next to Ground Zero? Yes, I would be way more accepting, if they were more accepting. Wouldn't you?
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I couldn't quite parse that, sorry.
apdst said:
If that person didn't disrupt the worship of others, then, yes, I believe it would be ok. What better way to sway a satanist, than to expose him to your way of thinking? Common sense rules over all.
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If I understand your position correctly, you would prefer it if churches/mosques/synagogues/temples/etc. chose to allow people of all faiths to worship how and what they want in their buildings, right?
 
apdst said:
As long as peoples of all faiths are barred fron worshipping in this mosque, the terrorists have won.

When anyone, aside from Islamics, are allowed to enter this mosque and worship, I'll support it. Until, then, they should choose another country to build thier mosque in.
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The terrorists are in favor of the first amendment?

Then why are they so angry?
 
digsbe said:
The Muslims building the mosque near the WTC have every right to do so. If they bought the property and own it then the government has no say in the matter. People and religious groups have the right to sovereignly own their property. However, I do think this was an arrogant and foolish decision at the hands of those building the mosque to place it near the WTC. Many will see it as a spiteful action and highly disrespectful regardless of the Muslim community's intent. It is a stupid decision to build the mosque there, but they have the freedom to make that stupid decision.
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Their motivation is to show solidarity with those who died and their intent is healing. The only arrogance is those who wish to stop them. The only arrogance is to assume you know someone's motives for building a religious building simply because their religion is the same as the people who committed the crimes of 9/11.

I don't blame all white Christian men for Oklahoma City.
 
Building a mosque at the site of a "great victory" is an age-old Islamic practice.

This mosque would basically serve as a monument to the Islamic world to say, "this is where we kicked America's ass."
 
Erod said:
Building a mosque at the site of a "great victory" is an age-old Islamic practice.

This mosque would basically serve as a monument to the Islamic world to say, "this is where we kicked America's ass."
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Says you and the other folks who try to blame every Muslim for the crimes of a few.

Should I blame every Christian for this?

Fred Phelps is a Christian, should I pretend that all Christians are to blame for what he does? So, I can assume all Christians hate soldiers?
 
Erod said:
Building a mosque at the site of a "great victory" is an age-old Islamic practice.

This mosque would basically serve as a monument to the Islamic world to say, "this is where we kicked America's ass."
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Or as an in-your-face gesture to conquered people in the form of obliterating their symbolic structures and erecting an Islamic one in its place. The dome of the Rock was built upon the temple mount for a reason.
 
Ockham said:
What Church was McVeigh part of and if the rest of the church believed or believes still as he does ... no Church near Oklahoma City.

The problem with your little hypotheticals is it's a little more difficult to find Christians blowing people up. Why not ask about the killings of the abotion clinics, or their blowing up, fires, etc. I think you'd find most if not all would condemn such acts. Let me know when members of that same Church is going to be build next to an Abortion clinic.
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Islam is not a united religion, it has sects, divisions, disagreements, etc that every major religion, including Christianity has. The individuals building this Mosque do not belong to a radical sect, specifically they are not Wahhabists. Osama bin Laden is a follower of the Wahhabi sect of Islam and taught that version of Islam to AQ and partly through the Taliban.
 
Gardener said:
actually know a little something abut history.
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You are simply someone who wants to continue the Crusades just like Osama bin Laden does.

If you hate all Muslims for the crimes of a few, you're no better than a terrorist who hates all Westerners for what he perceives as the crimes of a few.

And it's at least suspected that McVeigh had ties to Christian Identity.
Militias, Christian Identity and the Radical Right
 
FilmFestGuy said:
You are simply someone who wants to continue the Crusades just like Osama bin Laden does.

If you hate all Muslims for the crimes of a few, you're no better than a terrorist who hates all Westerners for what he perceives as the crimes of a few.

And it's at least suspected that McVeigh had ties to Christian Identity.
Militias, Christian Identity and the Radical Right
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Are you and the other Muslim apologists ever going to stop the fantasy of the Crusades continuing and instead actually realizing they themselves were a raction to 400 years of Muslim agression rape and pillaging or are the facts just not important to you?
 
texmaster said:
Are you and the other Muslim apologists ever going to stop the fantasy of the Crusades continuing and instead actually realizing they themselves were a raction to 400 years of Muslim agression rape and pillaging or are the facts just not important to you?
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Projecting thoughts or emotions onto others allows the person to consider them and how dysfunctional they are, but without feeling the attendant discomfort of knowing that these thoughts and emotions are their own. We can thus criticize the other person, distancing ourselves from our own dysfunction.
 
apdst said:
As long as peoples of all faiths are barred fron worshipping in this mosque, the terrorists have won.

When anyone, aside from Islamics, are allowed to enter this mosque and worship, I'll support it. Until, then, they should choose another country to build thier mosque in.
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I'm not allowed into certain places either. Mormon's have some secret sort of thing. Other religions probably as well. Hell the Masons have a lot of **** non-Masons are allowed into. Do we kick the lot out? Less they open their place of worship in full to everyone? Or in the Mason's case, place of .... masonry?
 
I like how conservatives here are dodging the issue of Bad Things Christians Did with "NO BUT THAT'S DIFFERENT." Keep at it guys!
 
Deuce said:
I like how conservatives here are dodging the issue of Bad Things Christians Did with "NO BUT THAT'S DIFFERENT." Keep at it guys!
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It's because when white people do bad things, it's all right, cause it's all white.

I wonder if conservatives know that there are actually White Muslims?
 
Manc Skipper said:
Projecting thoughts or emotions onto others allows the person to consider them and how dysfunctional they are, but without feeling the attendant discomfort of knowing that these thoughts and emotions are their own. We can thus criticize the other person, distancing ourselves from our own dysfunction.
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You mean like acute narcissism? Take a look in the mirror my friend. Analyzing the poster's argument and countering it is hardly a dysfunction. Funny how you couldn't come up with one despite your sad attempts to attack the poster instead of the argument. Its common with those who can pretend to perform a diagnosis but stay away from specifics because they cannot stomach a direct debate.
 
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texmaster said:
You mean like acute narcissism? Take a look in the mirror my friend. Analyzing the poster's argument and countering it is hardly a dysfunction. Funny how you couldn't come up with one despite your sad attempts to attack the poster instead of the argument. Its common with those who can pretend to perform a diagnosis but stay away from specifics because they cannot stomach a direct debate.
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I like that you think you've "countered" arguments. Your argument is that because a small group of a sect of Muslims committed an act of terrorism, we should somehow hold all Muslims responsible. Their condemnation of these acts doesn't meet your ambiguous standards, so we should violate their property and 1st amendment rights.

However, Christians are absolved of any responsibility for things that radical Christians have done in the past.

Am I about right?
 
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