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    Re: Author writing about Palin moves next door to her

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Look, when you need a plane fixed, you ask a mechanic. When you need a plane flown, you ask a pilot. When you need a plane designed, you ask an engineer. It's not elitist to do so. Nor is it elitist to accept the opinion of the pilot over the opinion of the passenger when it comes to the flight.

    Edit: Because for ****'s sake, the next person I hear call something a "runway" that isn't a runway is gonna get smacked!

    Wait, what were we talking about again?
    While factually correct, i fail to so how your post is relevant to mine. All i'm saying is just because someone has money dosnt make them "elitist"

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    Re: Author writing about Palin moves next door to her

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Look, when you need a plane fixed, you ask a mechanic. When you need a plane flown, you ask a pilot. When you need a plane designed, you ask an engineer. It's not elitist to do so. Nor is it elitist to accept the opinion of the pilot over the opinion of the passenger when it comes to the flight.
    Ahh, you mean like asking a movie producer to help out with a oil spill??

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    Re: Author writing about Palin moves next door to her

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    Re: Author writing about Palin moves next door to her

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    Ahh, you mean like asking a movie producer to help out with a oil spill??
    It seems BP has no such objections.
    BP has given the green light for funding of a device that can separate oil from water.

    Development of the machine, which uses a centrifuge to separate the fluids, has been backed by actor Kevin Costner to the tune of $25 million.

    John Houghtaling, Costner's chief partner in the project, told WWL First News that the oil company has ordered 32 of the devices for use in the Gulf of Mexico.

    "In a matter of weeks, we can be manufacturing ten of these a week," Houghtaling said. "So we're hoping by the first of August to have all 32 of these things in the Gulf."
    Meanwhile Costner's company is moving toward leasing 16 more oil sucking and separating machines to Plaquemines Parish officials directly. They say if BP won't pay for that, they may sell the oil local officials pull from the water and fund the machines that way.
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    Re: Author writing about Palin moves next door to her

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    We call that the "tech bubble".... Its a rather simple concept most get.





    So you are saying Obama's spending is not "drunken" and that he's a failure at getting us out?


    What tough decisions has obama made? Lifting the jones act? Allowing gays in the military, closing gitmo, bringing troops home in 18 months. Oh wait.





    That most of the country wants repealed.





    MMS has little to do with the spill, according to the 1994 NPR that would be the coast guard and the EPA, you can thank me anytime for delivering you from ignorance.





    Spoken like a true believer. Rome is burning, and your applauding the emporer's new clothes while that emporer fiddles.

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    Re: Author writing about Palin moves next door to her

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeVFF View Post
    Your ignorance is funnier than the irony. "Elitist" refers to a state of mind, not social status.
    A state of mind that "I belong to a club that you're not allowed into".

    What the **** IS a Country Club? It is - by its very definition - elitist.

    Defition from The American Heritage Dictionary:

    e·lit·ism or é·lit·ism (ĭ-lē'tĭz'əm, ā-lē'-)
    n.

    1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
    2.
    1. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
    2. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.
    I notice how much one side of the coin focuses only on intellectual elitism - i.e. they HATE someone who went to an Ivy League school. But they ignore 2/3rds of the defition about the wealthy and socially powerful.

    Thus, they'll complain about elitists while they vote for CEOs who literally purchase their seats in goverment.
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    Re: Author writing about Palin moves next door to her

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Ahh, you mean like asking a movie producer to help out with a oil spill??
    You mean the movie producer who has developed deep water submarine technology and owns two deep water submarine with which he filmed some of his underwater documentaries?

    That film producer? (who, while a producer - is actually more known as a director).

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    Re: Author writing about Palin moves next door to her

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    You mean the movie producer who has developed deep water submarine technology and owns two deep water submarine with which he filmed some of his underwater documentaries?

    That film producer? (who, while a producer - is actually more known as a director).
    No, the other one. I suspect they talked to Michael Bay, and that's where the nuclear bomb idea came from.
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    Re: Author writing about Palin moves next door to her

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeVFF View Post
    Your ignorance is funnier than the irony. "Elitist" refers to a state of mind, not social status.
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    Re: Author writing about Palin moves next door to her

    See, this is the weird thing with "Elistist". You both are kind of right.

    Utlimately it IS a state of mind. However, one enters into that state of mind from many different avenues.

    There are social elitists. People that enter into the state of mind through a belief of their social circle, their clique, their club, their organization, whatever is better than others or has a certain standard (either defined or in pr actice) and those that don't meet that standard just aren't good enough to be a part of that group.

    There are intellectual elitists. People who believe they are better than others because they are so much smarter then them and look down with disgust, distaste, pity, humor, etc on others they deem unintelligent.

    There are economic elitists. People who believe they are better than others because they have money, either by the fact of having said money or the way in which they gained said money. They own fancier things, they go to fancier places, and they think it somewhat beneath them to act like the "lower class" or the "poor", or find it "quaint" or "trendy" in a belittling way to do or use such things as almost a joke.

    There are skilled elitists. People who are very skilled at certain things and thus have no toleration or desire to interact with others of far less skill when doing said things, save for perhaps to embaress them to affirm their own skill at their particular activity.

    I'm sure there are more, but those are some of the classifications I could think of off hand. And you can have hybrid ones. Some members of Country Clubs tend to have an air of Social and Economic elitism where as some Ivy League School students could be Intellectual elitists mixed with Social and/or Economic. Another odd hybrid that one may not think of would be gamer snobs, generally skill and economic elitism, good gamers with high end computers that enjoy to ridicule and take advantage of poorer skilled ones or people who don't have the best connection and fastest specs. Other groups that most don't associated with elitism could very well fill in. Take high schools, everyone always associates the "popular crowd" perhaps with a slight "elitist" attitude in its upper ranks...however at times you find an intellectual elitism amongst the "outcasts" who believe themselves to be so much smarter and more mature in their views of the world.

    All these various types of elitism utlimately lead one to a particular mindset that essentially is what manifests the elitism, but its through those different roots that its given birth. I think trying to act like its either one or the other is frankly attempting to change it up to fit your desired argument. It is a frame of mind, but it is a frame of mind entered into generally due to some sort of reason such as social, economic, etc.

    Additionally, simply being a part of such a generalized group does not mean one will have said mindset however. Take for example a gentleman by the name of Ted Leonsis, the owner of the Washington Capitals and now the Washington Wizards. Ted is very wealthy and someone whose social circle without question runs amongst a number of "higher class" people; if nothing else just his fellow owners as there are not an extremely large amount of owners of franchises in the four major U.S. Sports let alone owning 2 of them. Yet "elitist" is one of the last things you'd hear most people refer to Ted Leonsis as. This is because despite the fact that he falls within the realms which would possibly tend to give rise to it, he's stayed realitively grounded. He calls into local sports talk radio while riding around in his car to give his opinion on the random topic going on, he responds to fan emails every day that come into his blog of which he regularly writes on out of his own interest of keeping the public informed about what's going on with the teams. He routinely is seen walking through the stands, talking with fans, and going out of his way at times to sacrifice revnue in exchange for a better fan experience and a better shot at the team winning not just for him but in all honesty for the city.

    Its very possible to go to an ivy league school, to be a member of a country club, to be a great athlete, to be wealthy and not be an "elitist". However those things can be the basis of which an elitist mentality is formed around those individual things as the justification for that elitism. It just doesn't mean that it definitely WILL lead to that

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