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    Re: Obama sending 1,200 troops to Mexico border

    Contestant: I'll take US and Mexico for $800, please.

    Alex: Which two unlikely political allies are in favor of sending US troops to the Mexican border?

    Contestant: Who are Barack Obama and Pat Buchanan?

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    Re: Obama sending 1,200 troops to Mexico border

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Only the Soviet Union and North Korea have punished trespassing with death.

    I look at conservatives and I just can't believe what I am seeing
    might want to look a little closer and southward...

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    Re: Obama sending 1,200 troops to Mexico border

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Only the Soviet Union and North Korea have punished trespassing with death.

    I look at conservatives and I just can't believe what I am seeing



    Actually many countries have. As far as conservatives? If you wanted to be honest, you would have noted very few people advocate this, including conservatives....


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    Re: Obama sending 1,200 troops to Mexico border

    First, I think we DO need comprehensive immigration reform. However, I think we need it in a tiered package not all at once. What I mean is we can't JUST build a wall or JUST do amnesty or JUST change immigration rules, we do need to address all the issues. But not necessarily at one time in one bill.

    Second, the order needs to be the following. Secure the border first. Fix immigration laws to take into account work force demands and to streamline it a bit second. Third, start enforcing the laws on businesses highing illegals. After those two then determine what to do with those who are illegally here.

    Once you seal the borders you slow the flow of illegals in. When you fix the laws then you further reduce that number. By enforcing the law on businesses you continue to reduce it AND begin to cause some to go back. Only after you get the influx to slow as much as possible can you then figure out what to do with those here. If you do this inverted then you'll just have this problem again in 10 years. If you do this comprehensively the solution for those here gets done immedietely and everything else gets ignored, as history has shown us.

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    Re: Obama sending 1,200 troops to Mexico border

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Only the Soviet Union and North Korea have punished trespassing with death.

    I look at conservatives and I just can't believe what I am seeing …
    Likewise can be said about the liberals. . . who seem wanting of the kidnappings, murders, rapes and otherwise horrendous violence that Arizona's trying to curb.

    Since when did being Liberal mean turning a blind eye to those in need?

    With how much Liberalism supports help of the needy and the underprivileged you'd think they'd want to hunt down and find out the coyotes and those with ill intentions.

    You'd think they'd want to punish those who employ illegals - who only hire them because they can pay them less and preserve their greedy profits, avoid paying their healthcare and other needs, while at the same time dodging taxes.

    It's shocking to see what liberals, now, condone as acceptable behavior.
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    Re: Obama sending 1,200 troops to Mexico border

    *snip* - double.
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    Re: Obama sending 1,200 troops to Mexico border

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I dont think a wall is the answer. It does little to stop anyone from crossing. They simply go over, under, or cut a hole in it. Once they are here and get a few hundred miles from the border most are left alone.

    I feel that these 4 things would discourage them from coming:

    1. Remove all public services from them.
    2. Stop birthright citizenship.
    3. Deport all found on US soil.
    4. Remove employment.
    We're talking about a steel reinforced concrete wall with razor wire and the works. You cannot get through that with bolt cutters. Patrols and guard towers would be on the look out for digging under the wall. But who cares if a few tunnels get dug. They won't stay secret long and represent a drop in the bucket compared to what we have now.

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    Re: Obama sending 1,200 troops to Mexico border

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Likewise can be said about the liberals. . . who seem wanting of the kidnappings, murders, rapes and otherwise horrendous violence that Arizona's trying to curb.

    Since when did being Liberal mean turning a blind eye to those in need?

    With how much Liberalism supports help of the needy and the underprivileged you'd think they'd want to hunt down and find out the coyotes and those with ill intentions.

    You'd think they'd want to punish those who employ illegals - who only hire them because they can pay them less and preserve their greedy profits, avoid paying their healthcare and other needs, while at the same time dodging taxes.

    It's shocking to see what liberals, now, condone as acceptable behavior.
    the illegals are allowed to do that, they can break the law, they're of a different colour, why shouldn't they be allowed in illegaly?
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    Re: Obama sending 1,200 troops to Mexico border

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    the illegals are allowed to do that, they can break the law, they're of a different colour, why shouldn't they be allowed in illegaly?


    Be bothered all you want. The truth of the matter is that by being here illegally they are putting their selves at the mercy of ill will and at the hands of others who have no good intentions, concern for their well being or moral compass.

    They're permitting their selves to be abused and mistreated, underpaid and they accept that they have to suffer in silence.

    Not saying, though, that our system is really enforceable, because it's not - it needs some serious tweaks. . . but that's been discussed in other threads endlessly. . . not doing anything at all isn't helping, either, it's just making their situation even worse.

    I don't believe in blanket amnesty. But in the same way that a criminal can plea-bargain and turn into authorities a more fervent component of illegal activity for a lesser charge or no charge at all, so should illegals be granted protection who help bring an end to the bad-side of illegal activities.

    Example: Grant citizenship and protection, even relocation, to an illegal who helps bring one coyote or drug cartel member to justice. . . thus, punishing the truly bad (those who've committed offenses against people) and those who broke the law by being here but, otherwise, aren't bad people.
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    Re: Obama sending 1,200 troops to Mexico border

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I don't think it would be. Walls aren't hard to get past if there's nobody around watching it. Going to permanently station tens of thousands of troops on it also?
    I looked into this a little in college. I forgot the price though unfortunantly. What it looked like was essentially this....

    You actually have two fences or walls, should be 12-20ft at least tall. One on the Border and another either a mile to a mile and a half from it. Both fences/walls tops are slanted at an extreme angle southward, with barbed wire. This would make it far more difficult to scale as one would need to somehow get over this lip.

    The Mile and a half area between both walls would be essentially cleared so as to have little to hide behind. You place periodic cameras along it and, depending on price and budget, sensors on the wall and/or ground for movement at more heavily trafficed locations.

    You position a station every 60 miles, giving you roughly 33 stations. Each station is responsible for manning a 60 mile strip, which would be done with 3 vehicles for each location manned by two Border Guards. One car 20 miles to the east, one car at the station, one car 20 miles west. Each car is responsible for 10 miles to either side of it, and the side cars can also act as additional support for the next station if needed. Assuming most of the people crossing are not going to be amazing runners, some with families, we'll give a rough average of 10-12 minutes to cross the distance. Going 60+ MPH the cars should be able to arrive prior to the alien is able to pass into the US.

    Assuming 4 shifts this would account for just under 800 border guards. If you wanted to add 2 more shifts worth of people and give each station a support vehicle that could be deployed wherever it needed it'd be just under 1,200.

    If you wanted to go on the safe side, and do the 6 different "shifts" of in the field guards, you could do 14 officers/managers/admin/operations type people in each station location to bring the station total employees to 50 and total employees to 1650.

    With this you'd have a few things...

    Two difficult to climb walls.
    Guards maning essentially every mile of the border.
    Technology assisting in early detection of crossers (with cameras and motion sensors).

    Would it be perfect? Absolutely not. There's still the potential for tunneling though you don't expect a mile and a half long tunnel under the entire thing, and you'd hope the guards on patrol would notice tunnels coming up in a barren middle zone. I'm sure there's other ways to definitely work around it. However it would be a hell of a lot more secure then it was previously and while it won't stop the incentive for coming it'll hopefully either stop or deter a decent amount as we work on the next phase.

    Throughout that area of course you have your normal legal border crossings as well.

    While the numbers of individual employees seems large at first glance it'd still be miniscule compared to many other law enforcement agencies within the country. The cost of building would be relatively expensive, I say relatively because it'd be a great deal cheaper then what the government's been spending on some things lately, however it would need to be weighed against the amount of money it could potentially save through decreased illegal activity within the country as well as the national security benefits of further ensuring that we have a good chance of knowing anyone who enters the country and to make the drug trade more difficult.

    This is just a rough sugggestion, no I do not know details, no I've not looked into it greatly for some time now and even then it was only a 2 week long project. But that'd be my initial thought.

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