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BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands

The Minerals Management Service was created on January 19, 1982.[3] In 1982, Congress passed the Federal Oil & Gas Royalty Management Act, which mandates protection of the environment and conservation of federal lands in the course of building oil and gas facilities. The Secretary of the Interior designated the MMS as the administrative agency responsible for the mineral leasing of submerged OCS lands and for the supervision of offshore operations after lease issuance.[4]

W/cheney?

FAIL

Yeah. Cheney.

The Energy Task Force, officially the National Energy Policy Development Group, was a task force created by then-president George W. Bush during his second week in office. Vice President Dick Cheney was named chairman. This group was intended to “develop a national energy policy designed to help the private sector, and, as necessary and appropriate, State and local governments, promote dependable, affordable, and environmentally sound production and distribution of energy for the future." Unfortunately for the American public, everything they did was secret.

Most of the activities of the Energy Task Force have not been disclosed to the public, even though Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests (since 19 April 2001) have sought to gain access to its materials. The organizations Judicial Watch and Sierra Club launched a law suit under the Freedom of Information Act to gain access to the task force's materials. After several years of legal wrangling, in May, 2005 an appeals court permitted the Energy Task Force's records to remain secret.

The Deepwater Horizon oil well didn't have a remote-control shut-off switch. Why didn't it have a thing that it seems every single offshore drilling rig should have? Well, we DO know that Dick Cheney's energy task force decided that the $500,000 switches were too expensive, and they didn't want to make BP buy any. And since BP didn't want to buy them either, Cheney and his oil-buddy cronies didn't force them to.

FAIL is right. :doh

I agree that no drilling should be allowed unless we are sure the company has the caps, and equipment IN place to contain a spill..

If it were up to me, I shut down all offshore drilling, but I can live with this.

I blame BP, the last 3 administrations. failure of both republicans/democrats, government, and private industry...

I'll give you that there are plenty of people at fault here, but I've looked closely at what this administration can do and is doing, and I simply cannot understand what other/additional actions could have been expected of them or taken by them. Even people who are paid (at least in part) by the oil industry say there's nothing more that could reasonably be expected of the government at this juncture.

“It’s worse than politics,” said Larry Goldstein, a director of the Energy Policy Research Foundation, which is partly financed by the oil industry. “They have had the authority from Day 1. If they could have handled this situation better, they would have already.” --NYTimes

Clearly, you believe you know more about the situation than he does, but I'll take his word over yours any day. Sorry, pal.

You are making excuses for the government because your guy has the reigns...

Nope. I'm being realistic. You might try it some time.

Of course, it's possible you're not capable.

I'm also not overlooking the fact that you're a Tea Partying Drill, Baby, Drill-ite, nor the fact that you folks have got some 'splainin' to do to the people of the Gulf. :shrug:
 



What is it with the ADK style lefties and thier refusal to address what we are saying...


What he said:






What you responded:

Please stop it. It's really an embarrassing display.

Not one person has blamed obama "entirely" or even "mostly"......

Most of us have been blaming BP, but have been critical of the last 3 admins for multiple failures on thier partas well...

You obama apparatchiks circle the wagons at the least provocation... It's really silly.

I dont know what is more embarassing for them...that they cant recognize it, or that they recognize it and still do it...as if they are somehow invested in this ideology...

At any rate...it doesnt appear that they have the capacity to recognize the stupidity of their position...and hence...no right...no wrong...no shame. No expectation of responsibility of ANYONE on the left.

(or good lord...another even sadder option...they REALLY think they are making intelligent and reasoned points!) :shock:
 
They can create those islands parallel to the clean-up.
My bet is they can get them done at the lower end of the prediction, just as they fixed the LA Freeways in record time after the Northridge quake. Given the right incentive, they'll be highly motivated to move their a$$e$.

It's not like the resources from doing that will hamper anything else.
The gulf is a wee bit bigger than an Olympic swimming pool.
200 million is peanuts. Hell, a former CEO got more than that as a bonus.

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Tuck my man....


from your article:

To me, that doesn't sound at all as though it fits into "Most immediately effective".

It sounds like "Yeah, there will be some immediate gain, we hope, but the real gains won't be seen for a few months."



it's been over a month.

And one and two on my little list there still haven't been achieved yet. This ain't the time to go putting a condom on, which is what Jindal is basically describing.

The clap is already in the bloodstream. Now's the time for antibiotics, not condoms.
 
Yeah. Cheney.

The Energy Task Force, officially the National Energy Policy Development Group, was a task force created by then-president George W. Bush during his second week in office. Vice President Dick Cheney was named chairman. This group was intended to “develop a national energy policy designed to help the private sector, and, as necessary and appropriate, State and local governments, promote dependable, affordable, and environmentally sound production and distribution of energy for the future." Unfortunately for the American public, everything they did was secret.


So what happened durin Clinton and what not? Or is your blame simply for those with an "R" next to thier name?


Who did BP donate to btw? :ssst:



The Deepwater Horizon oil well didn't have a remote-control shut-off switch. Why didn't it have a thing that it seems every single offshore drilling rig should have? Well, we DO know that Dick Cheney's energy task force decided that the $500,000 switches were too expensive, and they didn't want to make BP buy any. And since BP didn't want to buy them either, Cheney and his oil-buddy cronies didn't force them to.


Is it mandated today? if not, I guess your anger is once again tunnel visioned by your hyper-partisanism.



FAIL is right. :doh


yes quite, your getting it now shorty....




If it were up to me, I shut down all offshore drilling, but I can live with this.


I guess you don't drive, use plastic, heat your home, use a computer. oh wait.... :roll:



I'll give you that there are plenty of people at fault here, but I've looked closely at what this administration can do and is doing, and I simply cannot understand what other/additional actions could have been expected of them or taken by them. Even people who are paid (at least in part) by the oil industry say there's nothing more that could reasonably be expected of the government at this juncture.



They should have mandated he acoustic cap, given all rigs a fair time to comply, they could have equipped the 1994 plan with the booms that still are missing. they could have looked at the MMS BEFORE the disaster....they could have let jindal build the barrier islands. Take the boot off of bp's neck and put it in thier ass to get this capped and clean.

There is plenty that the government can do... you seem to be absolving your guy however.



Clearly, you believe you know more about the situation than he does, but I'll take his word over yours any day. Sorry, pal.


Nah, just more than you. :thumbs:



Nope. I'm being realistic. You might try it some time.

Of course, it's possible you're not capable.

I'm also not overlooking the fact that you're a Tea Partying Drill, Baby, Drill-ite, nor the fact that you folks have got some 'splainin' to do to the people of the Gulf. :



You forgot that the Good Reverend is stunning in all ways, and you find him sexually and intellectually irresistable. It's ok.... Shortehs always want to get with playa. :pimpdaddy:
 
If those islands built 9 months from now have any affect this disaster,
As I understand it, part of the proposal is a request for millions of feet in boom. I'm not expert on these things, but my belief was that this would be used as a temporary solution to divert oil from the most sensitive areas.

We don't need completed islands for the plan to "affect this disaster."

We certainly don't need to cap the leak before we can start protecting the coast.
 
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To me, that doesn't sound at all as though it fits into "Most immediately effective".

It sounds like "Yeah, there will be some immediate gain, we hope, but the real gains won't be seen for a few months."





And one and two on my little list there still haven't been achieved yet. This ain't the time to go putting a condom on, which is what Jindal is basically describing.

The clap is already in the bloodstream. Now's the time for antibiotics, not condoms.





#1 priority: fixing the leak. All the efforts are a waste of time if that aint' fixed.


What else can be done? are we taking away from it currently?




#2 priority: Trying to contain spill with the most immediately effective means.




That would be the missing booms. The ones from the 1994 plan, that are still not there in the quantities needed.
 
The Katrina track should have been a clue to anyone. Morgan City La. + NOLA to the east of the storm = Run like hell!

Boy, you got that right, my friend!! Most of my family got out of dodge early because they KNEW not to mess around. People need to fire up those neurons and think for themselves!!
 
What else can be done? are we taking away from it currently?

I truly wish I had an answer to that one. That's where all the brainstorming should be focused right now. Getting the leak fixed. It doesn't matter what else is done if this doesn't happen.


That would be the missing booms. The ones from the 1994 plan, that are still not there in the quantities needed.

I agree. This is the next highest priority after getting the leak fixed. On that, I can see reaming Obama at this point.

Once these two things are done, THEN Jindal's island idea should be getting some serious consideration.

But right now, the fact of the matter is changing the environment poses a legitimate ecological risk in it's own right. It can mess with ocean currents which can potentially have devastating effects elsewhere. It should not be implemented willy nilly.

It requires a certain amount of reasoned research to see what the potential negative side effects would be.

There's no sense in creating another ecological disaster while trying to slightly decrease an existing one.

If it could avert the existing disaster, then maybe it would be worth doing without taking the time to look at all the potential side-effects.

But it can't. This disaster has already started and can't be stopped at this point.
 
Stop ignoring the recommendations of scientific experts?

Comply with laws that require a written explanation for why expert advice was not heeded?

:doh

The recommendations weren't from "scientific experts," they were from MMS, the insanely corrupt agency charged with overseeing offshore drilling, which "has consistently minimized the environmental risks of offshore energy exploration."

From your article:

Evaluating effects

MMS actions are shaped in part by a 2005 regulation it adopted that assumes oil and gas companies can best evaluate the environmental effects of their operations.

The rule governing which information the MMS should receive and review before signing off on drilling plans states: "The lessee or operator is in the best position to determine the environmental effects of its proposed activity based on whether the operation is routine or non-routine."

MMS said in a May 2000 draft environmental analysis of deep-water drilling in the Gulf of Mexico that "the oil industry's experience base in deep-water well control is limited" and that a massive spill "could easily turn out to be a potential showstopper for the [Outer Continental Shelf] program if the industry and MMS do not come together as a whole to prevent such an incident."

But when the MMS finalized the document that month, it jettisoned those two statements and concluded that there was no need to prepare an environmental impact analysis for deep-water drilling: "Most deep-water operations and activities are substantially the same as those associated with conventional operations and activities on the continental shelf."

Notice the dates. The MMS under the Bush/Cheney administration. You're going to have to work a lot harder to pin that on Obama. :roll:
 
As I understand it, part of the proposal is a request for millions of feet in boom. I'm not expert on these things, but my belief was that this would be used as a temporary solution to divert oil from the most sensitive areas.

We don't need completed islands for the plan to "affect this disaster."

We certainly don't need to cap the leak before we can start protecting the coast.

Here's an article with a quote from an actual expert on boom:

http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/05/boom_allocation_decisions_frus.html

Only about eight boom and oil containment manufacturers exist in the U.S., according to Nick Naayers, vice president of American Boom & Barrier in Cape Canaveral, Fla., which makes various types of hard boom.

Naayers said he's manufacturing a little less than a mile per day but cited concerns about the scarcity of certain raw resources, such as the plastic tarp-like material used to construct the boom.

"There's not enough out there for the magnitude of this spill," he said. "You're not going to be able to make enough. Look at that coastline. We're making everything we can, as fast as we can. It's all going up there. But nobody's going to maintain this amount of boom in stock."

Like I said, there's never been anything of this magnitude before.
 
:doh

The recommendations weren't from "scientific experts," they were from MMS,
Here's the portion to which I was referring:
But the pattern of dismissing biologists' input has continued under the Obama administration. NOAA must judge whether companies have established adequate programs to monitor and minimize their impact on marine mammals before issuing a permit to operate offshore.

Last year, federal marine mammal experts told the MMS that it had minimized the environmental risks of drilling when assessing the impact of auctioning leases in four areas in Alaska's Beaufort and Chukchi seas.

Agency officials did not respond, although they are required under law to either adopt the experts' recommendations or explain within 120 days why they reject them.

...

Ragen said the MMS has consistently minimized the environmental risks of offshore energy exploration.
 
"There's not enough out there for the magnitude of this spill," he said. "You're not going to be able to make enough. Look at that coastline. We're making everything we can, as fast as we can. It's all going up there. But nobody's going to maintain this amount of boom in stock."
The goal isn't to protect the entire coastline, but the most sensitive areas. In fact, a goal might be to use the boom to divert oil from one area to another (e.g. to purposely direct the oil to an existing barrier island).
 
The goal isn't to protect the entire coastline, but the most sensitive areas. In fact, a goal might be to use the boom to divert oil from one area to another (e.g. to purposely direct the oil to an existing barrier island).

That makes sense.

As I said earlier, the delays with the booms and such are definitely something I can see criticizing people about.
 
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That makes sense.

As I said earlier, the delays with the booms and such are definitely something I can see criticizing people about.
More interesting info from the government's perspective:
  • Plenty of boom for immediate needs
  • Shortfall very dependent on time it takes to cap well
  • Limited supply of "hard" boom, adequate supplies of "soft" boom
  • LA in greatest danger now, but could change. Governors are all putting pressure on feds to cover their states, but feds have to be careful to issue stock as needed.
  • Locals say "wherever oil has been spotted, BP and the Coast Guard have quickly deployed the necessary amount"
A Looming Shortage of Oil Boom? - Green Blog - NYTimes.com
 
More interesting info from the government's perspective:
  • Plenty of boom for immediate needs
  • Shortfall very dependent on time it takes to cap well
  • Limited supply of "hard" boom, adequate supplies of "soft" boom
  • LA in greatest danger now, but could change. Governors are all putting pressure on feds to cover their states, but feds have to be careful to issue stock as needed.
  • Locals say "wherever oil has been spotted, BP and the Coast Guard have quickly deployed the necessary amount"
A Looming Shortage of Oil Boom? - Green Blog - NYTimes.com

How long before the hurricane season starts and those booms ('that boom'?)are rendered totally ineffective?
 
How about Destination: GTFO?

I mean seriously, these aren't very difficult questions. Coordinating transportation isn't rocket science.

That was up to them to have a plan. When I lived in Georgia, there was a detailed plan to evacuate people from the barrier islands and vulnerable coastal areas to places further inland. It was a bipartisan plan -- which fortunately never had to be used while I was there.

Why did NOLA have a plan? Either they didn't, or race baiter Nagin completely dropped the ball.
 
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