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    Re: BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    If those islands built 9 months from now have any affect this disaster,
    As I understand it, part of the proposal is a request for millions of feet in boom. I'm not expert on these things, but my belief was that this would be used as a temporary solution to divert oil from the most sensitive areas.

    We don't need completed islands for the plan to "affect this disaster."

    We certainly don't need to cap the leak before we can start protecting the coast.
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    Re: BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    To me, that doesn't sound at all as though it fits into "Most immediately effective".

    It sounds like "Yeah, there will be some immediate gain, we hope, but the real gains won't be seen for a few months."





    And one and two on my little list there still haven't been achieved yet. This ain't the time to go putting a condom on, which is what Jindal is basically describing.

    The clap is already in the bloodstream. Now's the time for antibiotics, not condoms.




    #1 priority: fixing the leak. All the efforts are a waste of time if that aint' fixed.

    What else can be done? are we taking away from it currently?





    #2 priority: Trying to contain spill with the most immediately effective means.



    That would be the missing booms. The ones from the 1994 plan, that are still not there in the quantities needed.
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    Re: BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands

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    Re: BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    What else can be done? are we taking away from it currently?
    I truly wish I had an answer to that one. That's where all the brainstorming should be focused right now. Getting the leak fixed. It doesn't matter what else is done if this doesn't happen.


    That would be the missing booms. The ones from the 1994 plan, that are still not there in the quantities needed.
    I agree. This is the next highest priority after getting the leak fixed. On that, I can see reaming Obama at this point.

    Once these two things are done, THEN Jindal's island idea should be getting some serious consideration.

    But right now, the fact of the matter is changing the environment poses a legitimate ecological risk in it's own right. It can mess with ocean currents which can potentially have devastating effects elsewhere. It should not be implemented willy nilly.

    It requires a certain amount of reasoned research to see what the potential negative side effects would be.

    There's no sense in creating another ecological disaster while trying to slightly decrease an existing one.

    If it could avert the existing disaster, then maybe it would be worth doing without taking the time to look at all the potential side-effects.

    But it can't. This disaster has already started and can't be stopped at this point.
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    Re: BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Stop ignoring the recommendations of scientific experts?

    Comply with laws that require a written explanation for why expert advice was not heeded?


    The recommendations weren't from "scientific experts," they were from MMS, the insanely corrupt agency charged with overseeing offshore drilling, which "has consistently minimized the environmental risks of offshore energy exploration."

    From your article:

    Evaluating effects

    MMS actions are shaped in part by a 2005 regulation it adopted that assumes oil and gas companies can best evaluate the environmental effects of their operations.

    The rule governing which information the MMS should receive and review before signing off on drilling plans states: "The lessee or operator is in the best position to determine the environmental effects of its proposed activity based on whether the operation is routine or non-routine."

    MMS said in a May 2000 draft environmental analysis of deep-water drilling in the Gulf of Mexico that "the oil industry's experience base in deep-water well control is limited" and that a massive spill "could easily turn out to be a potential showstopper for the [Outer Continental Shelf] program if the industry and MMS do not come together as a whole to prevent such an incident."

    But when the MMS finalized the document that month, it jettisoned those two statements and concluded that there was no need to prepare an environmental impact analysis for deep-water drilling: "Most deep-water operations and activities are substantially the same as those associated with conventional operations and activities on the continental shelf."
    Notice the dates. The MMS under the Bush/Cheney administration. You're going to have to work a lot harder to pin that on Obama.

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    Re: BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    As I understand it, part of the proposal is a request for millions of feet in boom. I'm not expert on these things, but my belief was that this would be used as a temporary solution to divert oil from the most sensitive areas.

    We don't need completed islands for the plan to "affect this disaster."

    We certainly don't need to cap the leak before we can start protecting the coast.
    Here's an article with a quote from an actual expert on boom:

    http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-sp...ions_frus.html

    Only about eight boom and oil containment manufacturers exist in the U.S., according to Nick Naayers, vice president of American Boom & Barrier in Cape Canaveral, Fla., which makes various types of hard boom.

    Naayers said he's manufacturing a little less than a mile per day but cited concerns about the scarcity of certain raw resources, such as the plastic tarp-like material used to construct the boom.

    "There's not enough out there for the magnitude of this spill," he said. "You're not going to be able to make enough. Look at that coastline. We're making everything we can, as fast as we can. It's all going up there. But nobody's going to maintain this amount of boom in stock."
    Like I said, there's never been anything of this magnitude before.
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    Re: BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands

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    The recommendations weren't from "scientific experts," they were from MMS,
    Here's the portion to which I was referring:
    But the pattern of dismissing biologists' input has continued under the Obama administration. NOAA must judge whether companies have established adequate programs to monitor and minimize their impact on marine mammals before issuing a permit to operate offshore.

    Last year, federal marine mammal experts told the MMS that it had minimized the environmental risks of drilling when assessing the impact of auctioning leases in four areas in Alaska's Beaufort and Chukchi seas.

    Agency officials did not respond, although they are required under law to either adopt the experts' recommendations or explain within 120 days why they reject them.

    ...

    Ragen said the MMS has consistently minimized the environmental risks of offshore energy exploration.

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    Re: BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    "There's not enough out there for the magnitude of this spill," he said. "You're not going to be able to make enough. Look at that coastline. We're making everything we can, as fast as we can. It's all going up there. But nobody's going to maintain this amount of boom in stock."
    The goal isn't to protect the entire coastline, but the most sensitive areas. In fact, a goal might be to use the boom to divert oil from one area to another (e.g. to purposely direct the oil to an existing barrier island).

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    Re: BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    The goal isn't to protect the entire coastline, but the most sensitive areas. In fact, a goal might be to use the boom to divert oil from one area to another (e.g. to purposely direct the oil to an existing barrier island).
    That makes sense.

    As I said earlier, the delays with the booms and such are definitely something I can see criticizing people about.
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    Re: BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    That makes sense.

    As I said earlier, the delays with the booms and such are definitely something I can see criticizing people about.
    More interesting info from the government's perspective:
    • Plenty of boom for immediate needs
    • Shortfall very dependent on time it takes to cap well
    • Limited supply of "hard" boom, adequate supplies of "soft" boom
    • LA in greatest danger now, but could change. Governors are all putting pressure on feds to cover their states, but feds have to be careful to issue stock as needed.
    • Locals say "wherever oil has been spotted, BP and the Coast Guard have quickly deployed the necessary amount"

    A Looming Shortage of Oil Boom? - Green Blog - NYTimes.com

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