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    Re: BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I do agree with you about the nationalizing part, but I don't agree that it was entirely BP's fault. The government has been lax in administering safety regulations pretty much since Bush, and let big oil companies get away with saving "a few bucks" rather than to err on the side of caution.
    Ok, then. It's BP's and Bush's fault.

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    Re: BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    The Minerals Management Service, an outrageously corrupt government agency under the Bush/Cheney administration.


    The Minerals Management Service was created on January 19, 1982.[3] In 1982, Congress passed the Federal Oil & Gas Royalty Management Act, which mandates protection of the environment and conservation of federal lands in the course of building oil and gas facilities. The Secretary of the Interior designated the MMS as the administrative agency responsible for the mineral leasing of submerged OCS lands and for the supervision of offshore operations after lease issuance.[4]





    W/cheney?


    FAIL





    The biggest mistake the government made was allowing deep-water drilling in the first place.


    Actually I agree to a point. I agree that no drilling should be allowed unless we are sure the company has the caps, and equipment IN place to contain a spill..




    This is rich coming from the likes of you, chuckles.


    Right, let's see, I blame BP, the last 3 administrations. failure of both republicans/democrats, government, and private industry...


    You are making excuses for the government because your guy has the reigns...

    yes, partisan hack is a good label for you.



    Still, facts are stubborn things: BP is ultimately responsible for all of this mess. Not only did BP not install an acoustic fail-safe, and not repair the annular gasket that had been damaged four weeks earlier, it also adamantly insisted on circumventing standard procedures to "save time and money." On the day of the explosion there was an argument between the managers of BP and Transocean over whether or not to remove the drilling mud Halliburton placed the concrete plugs. BP won; the mud was removed.

    And.... kaboom. BP owns this ****up.


    And were they not ceritified and praised as safe after this?


    Please.
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    Re: BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Why not cede that the government shares partial responsibility for this?
    Only in a minimal sense.

    The government is responsible for off-shore drilling oversight through the Minerals Management Service. The Bush administration did not enforce that oversight at all, allowing the MMS to become nothing more than a drug/porn good-ol'-oil-boys party club.

    Ten days after taking office, the Obama administration began an investigation into the MMS failures, and issued new and more stringent ethics requirements. Many MMS employees were fired; others were prosecuted.

    Today, Salazar announced another investigation into the workings of the MMS since January 2009, to see what more, if anything, could have been done to eliminate the culture of criminality that Bush/Cheney allowed to develop within the MMS.

    Salazar has also signed a secretarial order splitting MMS into three distinct agencies to separate its energy development, enforcement, and revenue collecting functions. Beyond this, I don't know what more the Obama administration could be expected to have done...

    ... unless you're advocating that the president himself should be doing the inspections.

    So, what more would YOU have had the Obama administration do?

    Someone who knows, and who's paycheck is partly funded by the oil industry, is Larry Goldstein, a director of the Energy Policy Research Foundation. He has gone on record saying "If they [the administration] could have handled this situation better, they would have already."

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    If we authorize safety regulations and pay millions to regulate an industry, we should certainly expect they take some responsibility for getting the job done.
    I agree. Salazar is making sure the Bush-era MMS free-for-all is a thing of the past. Going forward - at least under Obama's watch - I expect no more such MMS corruption issues to occur.
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    Re: BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post

    I agree. Salazar is making sure the Bush-era MMS free-for-all is a thing of the past. Going forward - at least under Obama's watch - I expect no more such MMS corruption issues to occur.



    We see that.


    In ironic twist, BP finalist for pollution prevention award – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs


    AP IMPACT: Fed'l inspections on rig not as claimed - Yahoo! News
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    Re: BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    I agree. Salazar is making sure the Bush-era MMS free-for-all is a thing of the past. Going forward - at least under Obama's watch - I expect no more such MMS corruption issues to occur.
    As the good Rev has already pointed out, there is plenty of blame to go around, it took this incident for the gov't to come down on the corruption:

    Interviews and documents show numerous examples in which senior officials discounted scientific data and advice -- even from scientists elsewhere in the federal government -- that would have impeded oil and gas companies drilling offshore.

    Under the Bush and Obama administrations, red flags raised by scientists at NOAA and the Marine Mammal Commission have gone unheeded. Obama officials say they are taking steps to ensure that science guides drilling decisions They are now!! ; former agency officials say such questions are rarely as simple as they seem.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...T2010052404233
    Last edited by Taylor; 05-25-10 at 04:15 PM.

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    Re: BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    there is plenty of blame to go around,
    Well sure there is: BP, Halliburton, Transocean, Bush/Cheney, MMS, and the Grover Cleveland administration that originally decided offshore oil drilling was an acceptable practice. But you cannot tell me with a straight face that the Obama administration is even close to the top of that list. Their culpability (I blame Obama entirely for opening up even MORE offshore drilling) is comparably and effectively minuscule. The blame belongs at the feet of those who took shortcuts and ignored safety precautions: BP owns that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    it took this incident for the gov't to come down on the corruption
    That's simply not true. Once again, TEN DAYS AFTER TAKING OFFICE Interior Secretary Salazar came down on corruption in the MMS. What more would you have had him do? How much earlier should he have taken action?
    Last edited by Glinda; 05-25-10 at 04:36 PM.

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    Re: BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands




    What is it with the ADK style lefties and thier refusal to address what we are saying...


    What he said:


    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    As the good Rev has already pointed out, there is plenty of blame to go around, it took this incident for the gov't to come down on the corruption:


    What you responded:



    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    But you cannot tell me with a straight face that the Obama administration is even close to the top of that list. Their culpability (I blame Obama entirely for opening up even MORE offshore drilling) is comparably and effectively minuscule. The blame belongs at the feet of those who took shortcuts and ignored safety precautions: BP owns that.




    Please stop it. It's really an embarrassing display.


    Not one person has blamed obama "entirely" or even "mostly"......


    Most of us have been blaming BP, but have been critical of the last 3 admins for multiple failures on thier partas well...


    You obama apparatchiks circle the wagons at the least provocation... It's really silly.
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    Re: BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands

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    Re: BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    What more would you have had him do?
    Stop ignoring the recommendations of scientific experts?

    Comply with laws that require a written explanation for why expert advice was not heeded?

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    Re: BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Stop ignoring the recommendations of scientific experts? Comply with laws that require a written explanation for why expert advice was not heeded?
    What recommendations did he ignore? Which scientific experts? What laws?

    You're going to have to go into more detail if you want a reasonable response.

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