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    Re: BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands

    My biggest fear is that the oil will get into the waterworks and gum up the pumps. Then New Orleans is literally a sitting duck with no back-up plan should another hurricane hit. Katrina will seem like a walk in the park.......
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    Re: BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    it's toady
    rather than say he is willing to go to jail for doing the right thing
    maybe he should instead just do the right thing
    I like it. You may think it's toady, I think it's a club to the head of Obi's Pussy Footers Club. I also love this:

    First the Feds tell AZ to go to hell on their immigration law, threatening not to enforce it. Cool... as I think we citizens should also be selective about the laws we live by. Taxation without representation seems to fit well here... no representation when it comes to illegals...

    And now we have a Governor telling the Feds to go to hell if they can't get Obi off the crapper, into a pair of Depends and get him to work.

    Ahhh... it gets really interesting when the Libs take over.
    They bring us to the edge of the cliff, have us look over, and then a little sanity kicks in among the public.

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    Re: BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands

    Even Carville thinks Obi is F-ing it up.
    I'd love to have heard his digs if this was Bush.
    Hell, the entire show would have been a stutter.

    James Carville:

    I think I'm as good a Democrat as most people, and I think the administration has done some good things. They are risking everything by this go-along-with-BP strategy they have. They're seem like lackadaisical on this. They seem like they're inconvenienced by this. This is some kind of giant thing getting in their way and somehow or another if you let BP handle it, it will all go away. It's not going away! It's growing out there. It is a disaster of -- of -- of the first magnitude, and they gotta go to plan B.
    What "Plan-B"?
    They don't have a Plan-A after a month, how can they go directly to Plan-B?

    If Plan-A was sending a gaggle of lawyers and sitting back, well... OK... Plan-A... send Lawyers and sit back.

    Plan-B? Any guesses?... C'mon... it's easy....
    Blame Bush.

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    Re: BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    BP Oil Spill: Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal Asks for More Help - ABC News

    I do agree with this:

    Yes, they have been complete whimps.
    I also agree. Probably my biggest complaint about Obama is that he doesn't jump up and kick a few asses around the room every now and then. Of course, kicking asses at this point isn't going to stop the oil from flowing. I'm willing to wait till the time is right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    They are relying on BP to clean it up, and trusting them too much to do the job, IMO.
    I'd argue this. We are NOT "relying" on BP to clean it up - we're (the government) doing plenty on that front. At last count, there were 16 federal agencies/organizations currently working around the clock:

    Deepwater Horizon Unified Command
    Current Operations and Ongoing Response
    TODAY: Tuesday, MAY 25

    The following is a synopsis of our daily response efforts:

    Total response vessels: 1220

    Containment Boom deployed: more than 1.8 million feet

    Containment boom available: more than 325,000 feet

    Sorbent boom deployed: more than 990,000 feet

    Sorbent boom available: more than 1.07 million feet

    Total boom deployed: more than 2.8 million feet (regular plus sorbent boom)

    Total boom available: more than 1.4 million feet (regular plus sorbent boom)

    Oily water recovered: more than 11 million gallons

    Surface dispersant used: approximately 700,000 gallons

    Subsea dispersant used: approximately 130,000 gallons

    Total dispersant used: approximately 830,000 gallons

    Dispersant available: more than 360,000 gallons

    Overall personnel responding: more than 20,000

    17 staging areas are in place and ready to protect sensitive shorelines. These areas include:

    Dauphin Island, Ala.
    Orange Beach, Ala.
    Theodore, Ala.
    Panama City, Fla.
    Pensacola, Fla.
    Port St. Joe, Fla.
    St. Marks, Fla.
    Amelia, La.
    Cocodrie, La.
    Grand Isle, La.
    Shell Beach, La.
    Slidell, La.
    St. Mary, La.
    Venice, La.
    Biloxi, Miss.
    Pascagoula, Miss.
    Pass Christian, Miss.
    In addition, after oil spills, the responsible party (in this case BP) is legally required to fund and organize the cleanup under the auspices of the U.S. Coast Guard. So, the Coast Guard is in charge and overseeing the response, in which BP is participating.

    And we have to recognize that no matter how much time, material, and money we throw at the cleanup, the simple fact is that the government doesn't have the experience, knowledge, or the equipment needed to deal with stopping the leak. We must depend on BP's deep sea drilling "expertise" - such as it is. Other deep sea drilling companies around the world have been contacted and they're just as unsure of the fix as BP. Top scientists, geophysicists and engineers from Sandia, Los Alamos, and Livermore Labs are in on this, reviewing every plan on the table, validating those that have possibilities and providing additional expertise and input on new tactics.

    The bottom line remains: the government can't stop the leak. It can only offer assistance and oversight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    On a monitary scale, how does this work, though? If the government intervenes, does this mean taxpayers will have to foot the bill?
    I don't think so. BP will have to pay that bill... eventually. But honestly, the magnitude of this disaster is so large I'm beginning to doubt BP has enough money to put this to rights. In which case, it's you and me, baby.

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I also found the following interesting. What Bobby suggests doing will not help one iota in the immediate future:
    Not surprised. Jindal is playing politics with this issue, and not very well.

    Finally, here's an interesting tidbit I learned about last night...

    A former Shell Oil executive told FastCompany.com that a solution to cleaning up the Gulf Coast Oil spill is right under BP’s noses. John Hofmeister, the former president of Shell Oil, and Nick Pozzi, a former pipeline engineering and operations project manager say that BP could use their very own supertankers to suck up the spilled oil in the gulf and possibly salvage it for sale down the line. The tactic was proven effective during a Saudi spill in the 90’s — it sucked up 85% of the renegade oil. BP has tankers already sitting in the Gulf of Mexico, so we’re thinking, with their tactics failing left and right, why don’t they get on this already?

    NPR reported today that the spill is most likely gushing 10 times — possibly even 14 times — as much oil as previously thought, which would already put the spill in first place over the Exxon Valdez disaster. Hofmeister and Pozzi have been trying to get in touch with BP executives and persons in the Obama administration to present their genius idea to those in charge of the cleanup. They’ve been repeatedly turned away, and, once, a lawsuit was even threatened. Hofmeister thinks BP is turning a blind eye to their solution because they don’t want to tie up their supertankers in the cleanup efforts.

    Using their tankers for cleanup would mean tying up a huge part of their money-making process, not to mention they’d have to unload them of the oil that they’re holding first — which could prove a huge endeavor. It would take some planning to get in motion, but almost assuredly would clean up a vast amount of the oil already spilled across the Gulf. Plus they could deliver the oil to port, separate water out and then process it for sale. So what are they waiting for? --Gulf Spill Solution Could be Supertankers, BP Won't Listen

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    Re: BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    What "Plan-B"?
    They don't have a Plan-A after a month, how can they go directly to Plan-B?
    The White House didn't cause this disaster. You should be pointing fingers at BP demanding to know what THEIR Plan B was.

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    Re: BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    The White House didn't cause this disaster. You should be pointing fingers at BP demanding to know what THEIR Plan B was.




    Sheeeeet, the government didn't even have thier plan "A" in place.



    the white house didn't cause hurricanes either, that didn't stop some of you a few years ago.
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    Re: BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Day 36, and Mr. President has not responded. I guess he's too busy planning on skipping the memorial day service at arlington to vacay in chi-town.....



    Seriously though. If this is not the ghosts of Katrina, you all have lost your mind. Jindal is at his wits end waiting for federal permission to build barrier islands that he's willing to risk jail time...


    Why is Obama not responding to this?

    BP Oil Spill: Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal Asks for More Help - ABC News
    This has pretty much turned into a craptastic situation with no "good" outcomes. I really don't think anything that the administration could have done could have made this situation one bit better.

    Also, the article clearly says that they are reviewing the request. Sometimes before you institute a plan you have to see if it will actually help anything or if it will do no good and those resources could be better spent elsewhere. To criticize the administration for simply evaluating a request is stupid.

    With that said, they haven't done a good job with this. I wasn't critical at first, because most people seemed to be only worried about how fast they could compare it to Katrina and pass blame around for it. To do that only a day or two after a disaster, to try to pass blame onto someone that couldn't have prevented it in any way still seems silly to me. It seemed like they were fairly on the ball and were doing everything possible, which wasn't much at the time, and which they might still be doing, but it's clear they aren't making this their number 1 priority when it should be and they should be pushing BP harder. In the end, maybe BP is doing everything possible, maybe there really isn't a "good" way to stop this oil leak. I'm sure we'll find out with more time. I understand Obama's administration has plenty of stuff to handle,, and I'm sure their monitoring everything closely, but their attitude towards this isn't acceptable. With that said, I still think the Katrina comparison is still no where near applicable.

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    Re: BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    I also agree. Probably my biggest complaint about Obama is that he doesn't jump up and kick a few asses around the room every now and then. Of course, kicking asses at this point isn't going to stop the oil from flowing. I'm willing to wait till the time is right.

    Not surprised. Jindal is playing politics with this issue, and not very well.
    Obi loves to kick ass and dictate, where ya been?
    If it's a republican, hell... the guy opens both barrels... the uniter.
    In this vein he is just like The Clitons.

    Jindal playing politics?
    Let's see... his state is getting smacked, Obi is marooned in the crapper sans toilet paper and Depends... and Jindal wants to know WTF is up.

    Then Jindal sets out some demands to try and bring this to a halt and if the Feds don't comply he will do so by breaking the law.

    1. It makes Obama look incompetent... which he is.
    2. It forces the spotlight on Obi and his crew.
    3. It gives Jindal cover nationwide if he tells the Feds to go to hell.

    That is brilliance, and of Obama's own making... due to?
    Sheer Unadulterated Incompetence.

    Obi's had a month.
    Just think if Bush sat around for a month... went campaigning, on holiday golfing... There would be enough energy generated from the Leftist Freaks alone to shoot a rocket to the moon.
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    Re: BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Sheeeeet, the government didn't even have thier [sic] plan "A" in place.
    When the United States government nationalizes all American oil drilling and it has a blowout like this, you can bitch about "the government's Plan A/B." Until then, BP carries the burden of responsibility in drilling with all necessary safety precautions in place and functioning. They failed in that responsibility. They are entirely at fault for this spill.

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    Re: BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    When the United States government nationalizes all American oil drilling and it has a blowout like this, you can bitch about "the government's Plan A/B." Until then, BP carries the burden of responsibility in drilling with all necessary safety precautions in place and functioning. They failed in that responsibility. They are entirely at fault for this spill.
    The government has a role in national emergencies. Period.

    Ugh... Doh... even Pit Bull Carville came out and lambasted this Ship of Tools for their inaction. He being a LA boy probably has a few friends bending his ear wondering what he knows about Obi's plans, and when TF they're going to get their asses in gear.

    For Obama his role has been:

    1. Go golfing.
    2. Go on the campaign trail and smack republicans.
    3. Send lawyers and SWAT team members from the Enviromaniac Dept.

    Atta boy.

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