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    Re: Church Ousts Nun Who OK'd Abortion to Save Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    So when Clinton cheated on his wife that means all democrats are wife cheaters?

    Do you ever stop to actually think about your remarks or are you so wrapped up in the Christian bashing you can't see past your own nose?
    If you believe that logic, then you hate America.

    Now, are you guys suggesting that if I say I think this Pope is awful that means I hate all Catholics?
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    Re: Church Ousts Nun Who OK'd Abortion to Save Woman

    I actually have a catholic side of the family(on my mother side), so I don't hate all Catholic's. I just find them hypocritical.

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    Re: Church Ousts Nun Who OK'd Abortion to Save Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Don't spoon-feed me that tripe.

    The Catholic members are separate from their Pope and other leaders. How? the members who attend service and mass don't have the weight or power within the church to make decisions on what happens, how services are conducted and so on, so forth.

    They have menial influence in the Catholic-priesthood and Vatican body. As it is in almost every church out there.

    I don't believe for one moment that the people are guilty of child-molestation or are ok with it even though their Church's Priest might have committed it and their Pope turned a blind eye to it.
    I suppose you don't think you're a part of DebatePolitics.com, either

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    Re: Church Ousts Nun Who OK'd Abortion to Save Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Sorry Jerry. You must apply this to all Catholics and the church as a whole if you want to truly bask in the bigotry.
    When other Catholics enter the spot lite of this story, I sure will.

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    Re: Church Ousts Nun Who OK'd Abortion to Save Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    So when Clinton cheated on his wife that means all democrats are wife cheaters?

    Do you ever stop to actually think about your remarks or are you so wrapped up in the Christian bashing you can't see past your own nose?
    Why do people toss Clinton's affair into things - just randomly out of the blue - it's been tossed into so many threads when it means nothing and has no bearing on the point or subject being had?

    Since the dawn of man men and women have cheated on their spouses and partner it's *really* just a reflection of human nature more than anything else - but somehow people want to make some type of *point* by bringing up the fact that a guy cheated on his wife . . . as if it's something *new*

    But we digress. No, I don't support the leaders of the Catholic Church at all. It's not the religion itself, it's basic beliefs, that are so offensive (like - believing in God, Believing that Jesus was crucified, etc - it's not these things) - it's what *people* (Like Popes throughout history and large number of leaders) it's what these people have *done* in the name of their religion that make it SO foul.

    Religion would be fine - if it weren't for wretched people using it as fulcrum to do terrible things to mass numbers of people.

    Wretched things done in the name of religion:

    The Inquisition
    Salem Witch Trials (and other witch trials throughout history)
    The Children's Army
    Islamic Jihad
    Human Sacrifices in Burma
    Heaven's Gate

    The list can go on for a mile.

    Religion itself is innocent and fine - Religion is dangerous and offensive when the leaders go insane and start maiming and inflicting torture and passing judgment on people simply because they don't agree or follow with them.

    so, forgive me if my hangup on these offenses against humanity that have gone on since the dawn of man bar me from respecting the religious-bodies that ordain and commit them.



    I didn't use to be like this, though. My tipping point could have happened earlier but I pin it to when I was in the foyer of my Dad's former church and I heard our church's treasurer talking about how our "nigger janitor not being able to do his job right" . . .what did he do? Well, he was born black, for one thing - so criminal, I know And he failed to vacuum the foyer carpet all in the same direction.

    Yep, so atrocious, he vacuumed up and down - and then in some places he vacuumed side to side.

    Wow, yeah, that really slammed the door on my religious-totter heart. Up until that comment at that point I really was troubled by my religious imbalance.

    She was actually later found to be guilty of thieving money from the church - over $100,000 over a long period of time, in fact, so maybe she was one of those people who went to church to continually ease her guilty heart.

    All those years being behind the scenes at the church - the church laymen never did anything 'wrong' - all the offenses that were committed were done so by the leaders. And this continues to be quite true for almost every religion that's plagued with foul entities.

    So, give the leaders a pass? No
    They accept and embrace their Religion's history when they decide to become a man of the cloth or what have you. It's not like they're all blissfully ignorant of their founder's aggressions.

    The people, though, who go to church every Sunday (or mass, or Wednesday service) are merely satisfying a need and fulfilling a want in life.

    Even my own Dad is guilty of something I consider to be absolutely unacceptable from a Minster - what is it? I'll keep that to myself. But my view doesn't leave him out of the riptide.
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    Re: Church Ousts Nun Who OK'd Abortion to Save Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    If you believe that logic, then you hate America.

    Now, are you guys suggesting that if I say I think this Pope is awful that means I hate all Catholics?
    Notice the difference between the statements "I hate the Catholic church" and "I think this Pope is awful".

    The first addresses the entire community, the second addresses a single individual.

    It is the same difference between "I hate DebatePolitics.com" and "I think the Admin is awful".

    The first statement regards every member, every thread and post, the Tavern, the Basement, the award system, Arcade, social groups, the type and location of the server the site is hosted on.....everything.

    The second statement only regards one individual's behavior.
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    Re: Church Ousts Nun Who OK'd Abortion to Save Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Church Ousts Nun Who OK'd Abortion to Save Woman - CBS News

    CBS took the PC route and used the word "oust" instead of "excommunicate."



    And from NPR:
    Nun Excommunicated For Allowing Abortion : NPR


    Short version: Woman has heart problem, continued pregnancy was going to kill her. The administrator who approved the abortion was a nun, gets excommunicated.

    Given a clear cut choice between kill the child and kill both, the church would have chosen both, apparently. I feel bad for everyone involved.

    One Bishop hardly sounds like the entire catholic church. I guess all libs who are against the way must be like Code Pink, or the God hates Fags church that protest at the funerals of fallen soldiers and marines. Or maybe all Muslims are terrorist because of what a bunch of Muslim terrorist did.
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    Re: Church Ousts Nun Who OK'd Abortion to Save Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Notice the difference between the statements "I hate the Catholic church" and "I think this Pope is awful".

    The first addresses the entire community, the second addresses a single individual.

    It is the same difference between "I hate DebatePolitics.com" and "I think the Admin is awful".

    The first statement regards every member, every thread and post, the Tavern, the Basement, the award system, Arcade, social groups, the type and location of the server the site is hosted on.....everything.

    The second statement only regards one individual's behavior.
    Ah, I see that point. You're right, to religious people the term 'the church' is in reference to everyone in the entire church - I tend to forget that.

    From here on out I'll be certain to write it "I loath the Catholic Church Hierarchy - thus, not including the laymen of the church"
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    Re: Church Ousts Nun Who OK'd Abortion to Save Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Notice the difference between the statements "I hate the Catholic church" and "I think this Pope is awful".

    The first addresses the entire community, the second addresses a single individual.

    It is the same difference between "I hate DebatePolitics.com" and "I think the Admin is awful".

    The first statement regards every member, every thread and post, the Tavern, the Basement, the award system, Arcade, social groups, the type and location of the server the site is hosted on.....everything.

    The second statement only regards one individual's behavior.
    I see the difference and believe me, I have a lot of problems with the Catholic Church; but I don't hate it.

    I don't hate any individuals for their religious choices and I don't blame them for what others of their faith do even if I have problems with that faith.

    But this Pope (as opposed to his predecessor) hasn't done much for the reputation of the Church with the rest of the world. Don't know that it's necessarily his job; but wow...

    This wasn't his decision, but it just adds to a problematic image that the Church can't seem to shake.

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    Re: Church Ousts Nun Who OK'd Abortion to Save Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Ah, I see that point. You're right, to religious people the term 'the church' is in reference to everyone in the entire church - I tend to forget that.

    From here on out I'll be certain to write it "I loath the Catholic Church Hierarchy - thus, not including the laymen of the church"
    Please do beat up on the pedophiles and those who protect them.

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