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    Re: Church Ousts Nun Who OK'd Abortion to Save Woman

    I've noticed the Catholic Church is really losing control of the nuns, of late.
    Nuns have formed a coalition and are now a political entity in their own right, independent of, and sometimes contrary to, the Church proper.
    It will be interesting to see how this evolves.
    The nuns I've known have all been strong, independent women; the one I'm closest to- I've known her over 25 years, she was my 3rd grade teacher- left the Church long ago and is now very active in a number of political and humanitarian efforts.

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    Re: Church Ousts Nun Who OK'd Abortion to Save Woman

    A nun was kicked out of the Catholic Church for approving an abortion in order to save a pregnant woman's life.

    According to a National Public Radio report, Sister Margaret McBride approved the abortion for a 27-year-old woman who was 11 weeks pregnant but suffered from a serious heart condition. Doctors said the woman faced near-certain death had she continued her pregnancy at the Catholic Church in Phoenix last November.
    The only message I am receiving from the decision to kick out the nun is that it would have been better if both the mother and foetus died. Why the nun would wish to stay in this Church is beyond me.


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    Re: Church Ousts Nun Who OK'd Abortion to Save Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    The only message I am receiving from the decision to kick out the nun is that it would have been better if both the mother and foetus died. Why the nun would wish to stay in this Church is beyond me.
    Possibly because its her faith, still feels its her faith, and thinks the wrongful action of one Bishop doesn't speak about the entire church or faith more than the actions of a number of people helping her in the hospital that were also of the faith.

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    Re: Church Ousts Nun Who OK'd Abortion to Save Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I've noticed the Catholic Church is really losing control of the nuns, of late.
    Nuns have formed a coalition and are now a political entity in their own right, independent of, and sometimes contrary to, the Church proper.
    It will be interesting to see how this evolves.
    The nuns I've known have all been strong, independent women; the one I'm closest to- I've known her over 25 years, she was my 3rd grade teacher- left the Church long ago and is now very active in a number of political and humanitarian efforts.
    In this case the nuns were acting very much within the Church's control.

    It's a single Bishop who stepped out of line.

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    Re: Church Ousts Nun Who OK'd Abortion to Save Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Church Ousts Nun Who OK'd Abortion to Save Woman - CBS News

    CBS took the PC route and used the word "oust" instead of "excommunicate."



    And from NPR:
    Nun Excommunicated For Allowing Abortion : NPR


    Short version: Woman has heart problem, continued pregnancy was going to kill her. The administrator who approved the abortion was a nun, gets excommunicated.

    Given a clear cut choice between kill the child and kill both, the church would have chosen both, apparently. I feel bad for everyone involved.
    Meanwhile, back at the Vatican, the pope is greasing up another alter boy.

    And people wonder why the **** I hate the Catholic church (note - church as in the leaders and priests, not the people who attend mass . . . there's a HUGE difference there).
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    Re: Church Ousts Nun Who OK'd Abortion to Save Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Meanwhile, back at the Vatican, the pope is greasing up another alter boy.

    And people wonder why the **** I hate the Catholic church (note - church as in the leaders and priests, not the people who attend mass . . . there's a HUGE difference there).
    Actually there's no difference at all, if you look at how the Church is structured.

    The lay person attending mass is every bit as much "the church" as the Pope.

    When you say you hate the Church you are saying you hate all Catholics. Your qualifiers don't work because you don't target individuals.

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    Re: Church Ousts Nun Who OK'd Abortion to Save Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Hey come on. The Catholic Church can't be held responsible for the actions of 99% of its leaders.
    Bishop Thomas J. Olmsted is hardly 99% of the leadership

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    Re: Church Ousts Nun Who OK'd Abortion to Save Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Actually there's no difference at all, if you look at how the Church is structured.

    The lay person attending mass is every bit as much "the church" as the Pope.

    When you say you hate the Church you are saying you hate all Catholics. Your qualifiers don't work because you don't target individuals.
    Don't spoon-feed me that tripe.

    The Catholic members are separate from their Pope and other leaders. How? the members who attend service and mass don't have the weight or power within the church to make decisions on what happens, how services are conducted and so on, so forth.

    They have menial influence in the Catholic-priesthood and Vatican body. As it is in almost every church out there.

    I don't believe for one moment that the people are guilty of child-molestation or are ok with it even though their Church's Priest might have committed it and their Pope turned a blind eye to it.
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    Re: Church Ousts Nun Who OK'd Abortion to Save Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    In this case the nuns were acting very much within the Church's control.

    It's a single Bishop who stepped out of line.
    Sorry Jerry. You must apply this to all Catholics and the church as a whole if you want to truly bask in the bigotry.
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    Re: Church Ousts Nun Who OK'd Abortion to Save Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Don't spoon-feed me that tripe.

    The Catholic members are separate from their Pope and other leaders. How? the members who attend service and mass don't have the weight or power within the church to make decisions on what happens, how services are conducted and so on, so forth.

    They have menial influence in the Catholic-priesthood and Vatican body. As it is in almost every church out there.

    I don't believe for one moment that the people are guilty of child-molestation or are ok with it even though their Church's Priest might have committed it and their Pope turned a blind eye to it.
    So when Clinton cheated on his wife that means all democrats are wife cheaters?

    Do you ever stop to actually think about your remarks or are you so wrapped up in the Christian bashing you can't see past your own nose?
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