FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: Health Care Polls: Opinion Gap or Information Gap?
Unless you meant the McCain thing.
What we see is that most individual components of the bill are popular -- in some cases, quite popular. But awareness lags behind. Only 61 percent are aware that the bill bans denials of coverage for pre-existing conditions. Only 42 percent know that it bans lifetime coverage limits. Only 58 percent are aware that it set up insurance exchanges. Just 44 percent know that it closes the Medicare donut hole -- and so on and so forth.
One of you will end up here next!
Most importantly, if the public can be manipulated that easily, democracy doesn't work, period.
Last edited by Dav; 05-25-10 at 04:25 PM.
Yeah that's kinda the problem. Polling people who don't understand the bill isn't going to give you a meaningful answer.Two, the bill is so huge and complicated that nobody has the capacity to sufficiently understand it - especially not after just a one-sentence blurb of each component.
Yes. And that awareness is low. When explained, the support goes up. More awareness brings more support. Interesting don't you think?Three, if I like every component in a sandwich except the turd in the middle, that doesn't mean I want to eat the sandwich. Four, according to that study, the bill's opponents and supporters both have the same level of awareness. And I could go on.
Yep. When people are told a few hundred times "OBAMACARE = SOCIALIST RATIONING GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER" they start to hate it, despite not knowing a thing about it. They'll vote Republican to get rid of something they don't understand.Most importantly, if the public can be manipulated that easily, democracy doesn't work, period.
One of you will end up here next!
And why won't they investigate beyond that? The people whose minds might change on the issue would mostly be moderates. Do you honestly think that moderates would use Rush Limbaugh as their sole source of information?
Yes it does, because we live in a democracy, and what the people think matters no matter what you want.Yeah that's kinda the problem. Polling people who don't understand the bill isn't going to give you a meaningful answer.
And if you don't want to poll people who don't understand the bill, then Senators shouldn't have voted on it, because as I said (and you apparently agreed with this), nobody, even them, could understand it. Actually, did you even read my post?
And you ignored the point about the one-sentence blurb the study provided.
That not only skips over one of my points, but blatantly mischaracterizes the study. Support does not go up when the bill is "explained" (in one-sentence blurbs). It is simply found that many of the provisions are more popular than the bill itself. The study did not measure any change in support after an "explanation".Yes. And that awareness is low. When explained, the support goes up. More awareness brings more support. Interesting don't you think?
So you think democracy doesn't work, period. Interesting.Yep.
So you think that conservatives are the only ones who used hyperbole and mischaracterization in that debate. That's just plain not true. More importantly, if conservatives are so dumb that according to you, they just hear socialism and don't need to hear anything else (which is smug condescending BS, but never mind that), it doesn't matter, because they are conservatives and would likely oppose the bill anyways. Remember, the so-called popular provisions didn't have unanimous support; basically all of them had at least 40% opposed. There's your Limbaugh crowd for you, the people who oppose not only the bill, but the provisions. The people who approve of many of the provisions, but not the bill itself, would have to be more moderate than that. Take Scott Brown - he approves of things like the public option, but is against the bill because of its cost. I suspect that many such people are the same. Keep in mind that it's probably only about 15%-ish that approve of most of the provisions, but not of the bill itself.When people are told a few hundred times "OBAMACARE = SOCIALIST RATIONING GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER" they start to hate it, despite not knowing a thing about it. They'll vote Republican to get rid of something they don't understand.
Anyways, if you hate democracy so much - as you just said you did (again I wonder if you were even reading my post) - maybe you should move to some place with less of it?
Last edited by Dav; 05-25-10 at 09:15 PM.