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    Re: 63% Favor Repeal of National Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Fine, so public good isn't the right term. You still haven't addressed the point you know I was trying to make.

    (I just noticed that when it is pointed out I used the wrong term, I accept it. When I point out conservatives are using "socialism" wrong they start equivocating or change the subject)
    I addressed it by noting that you're not looking at it right. Keeping something private should be the default position, and one would need a very good economic reason why socialization would work better if one wanted something private to be government-run. It's not the other way around, where you have to have a very good reason to keep something private and public is the default, since then almost everything would be public.

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    Re: 63% Favor Repeal of National Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Here's a question:

    Why shouldn't healthcare be considered an essential public service like police and fire protection?
    Deuce,

    Those are funded and implemented on a local scale, not a national scale. I don't think any conservative or libertarian would have an issue with locally administered healthcare services.

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    Re: 63% Favor Repeal of National Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It looks like my link above is out of date. Here are some new stats, presenting a good news/bad news scenario. The good news is that infant mortality is on the decline world wide. The bad news is that our most expensive health care system in the world has fallen further behind.

    Child mortality rates dropping, study finds, but U.S. lags




    If outspending the rest of the world while lagging behind the UAR, Cuba, and Chile is where we want to be, then we're in a good place.
    So we lag a few dinky little countries on a few social issues, big deal.
    It's a wonder we don't have a mass exodus of citizens who want to live in the UAR, Cuba, Chile....
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    Re: 63% Favor Repeal of National Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Ahh, the lame defense of the left.
    When stuck with reality poking them in the eye, throw a shovel of feces.

    Disney, I used to be like you.
    I was an unapologetic socialist.
    180 degrees to where I am now.

    I grew up. Traveled a ton, saw much of the socialist world, and with time came to the conclusion I was wrong on issue after issue. Though I fell into the socialist camp on issue after issue, I wasn't tied to the ideology, wasn't closed minded, it did not blind me. The last belief in socialism to fall was healthcare, and that was about 20-years ago.

    It helps to have a voracious appetite for the truth.

    And you? What's your excuse?

    This is a good start to understand how feeble socialist states are when compared to US States.
    The very best Euros are among the five worst US states. Enjoy.
    http://www.timbro.se/bokhandel/pdf/9175665646.pdf

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    Funny....I had exactly the opposite transformation. I bought into the whole Reagan idealogy and itwasn't until I got out in the real world and saw the after effects of Reaganomics that I shifted 180 degrees.

    I saw that allowing capitalism to run amuk only resulted in the destruction of the middle class. The corporate elite now control over 93% of the resources/wealth of this country. THAT is outrageous.

    They control the message that is sent out which allows them to convince people that it is OK to allow Corporate CEO's to line their pockets while keeping the working class hungry.
    They bombard the airwave with propoganda to convince people that basic healthcare should be a luxury in a country that can afford to provide it for all.
    Of course, the corporate elite might have to take a few million from the billions that they have benefitted from while giving back very little.

    Yes..Zim....the people that you listen to are the very people who perpetuate this propoganda. Maybe if you stopped listening to them, it might change your perspective.
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    Re: 63% Favor Repeal of National Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Funny....I had exactly the opposite transformation. I bought into the whole Reagan idealogy and itwasn't until I got out in the real world and saw the after effects of Reaganomics that I shifted 180 degrees.
    You must have been born, gone through puberty and into adulthood all in 1980. How did you do that?

    The Carter Years were so awful, so bad some folks we knew were thinking about leaving the USA. Stagflation, The Misery Index and The Oil Crisis were quickly resolved by gutting and cutting government. Of course, Carter is Obi's mentor when it comes to national security. The Iran hostage crisis was another wiener.

    I saw that allowing capitalism to run amuk only resulted in the destruction of the middle class. The corporate elite now control over 93% of the resources/wealth of this country. THAT is outrageous.
    The rich get richer in a tight society. In a regulated society. It is why upper mobility in Europe is tough, tough, tough. The Timbro study by Swedes (you trust Swedes don't you?) illustrates the low quality of life Europeans have, and the difficulty their bureaucracies breed.

    Frankly, so long as the government doesn't own it... I don't much care (do not confuse don't much with do not). What is "corporate elite by the way? Can you show me a breakdown of

    They control the message that is sent out which allows them to convince people that it is OK to allow Corporate CEO's to line their pockets while keeping the working class hungry.
    Pure Unadulterated Bulloney.

    The working class had a chance to move up, and the more reasonable the tax rates and regulation, the more chance motivated individuals can succeed.

    If you want to blame a group for keeping the man down, look at unions. Look at the horrors they have wrought on our education system, on jobs that have been overpriced by miles and are now being taken on by foreign lands. Had they not been so greedy, things would be different. Michigan wouldn't be a Ghost State.

    They bombard the airwave with propoganda to convince people that basic healthcare should be a luxury in a country that can afford to provide it for all.
    Of course, the corporate elite might have to take a few million from the billions that they have benefitted from while giving back very little.
    Sorry... but this is out and out laughable, borderline hysterically funny.

    There is something called The Constitution. When you mandate healthcare through the government, it's employees become slaves of the state. Just look at Germany. They strike... the government... and they are loosing Doctors, while others leave the profession and wade into far more lucrative waters and waters where pay isn't regulated by a few hundred business illiterates at some national capitol.

    Yes..Zim....the people that you listen to are the very people who perpetuate this propoganda. Maybe if you stopped listening to them, it might change your perspective.
    LOL... do you write for Obama?
    Stop listening? To both sides of the equation?
    Perpetuate propaganda? How's this for an admission about the US press propagandizing for Democrats for decades?
    Fineman: 'Mainstream Media Party' is over - Howard Fineman- msnbc.com

    Sorry to disappoint you and Obi, but I prefer to hear all sides and then decide.
    It would have been nice to have had Congress read the healthcare bill don't you think?

    BTW... I have lived a life largely fed with socialist claptrap coming through the airwaves; whether in Euroland, Kanuckistan or the USSA.

    Perhaps you should start listening.
    You know... learning the lessons of history so we don't end up with another Marxist at the helm.

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    Re: 63% Favor Repeal of National Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    yep..it's very unfortunate that people refuse to educate themselves about this bill, instead believing whatever talk radio feeds them.




    63% of people listen to talk radio?
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    Re: 63% Favor Repeal of National Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    63% of people listen to talk radio?
    Then how did Obama get elected?

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    Re: 63% Favor Repeal of National Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    63% of people listen to talk radio?
    Is it not amazing, even incredible to find we have these Liberals who claim to be open minded, tolerant, and compassionate (some in national leadership positions even claim to be "Uniters) tell others to stop listening to talk radio. Stop watching FOXNEWS.

    So open minded.
    I fear for the children these folks may have.
    Their minds will be so narrow you won't be able to tell they have a head if you look at them straight on.

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    Re: 63% Favor Repeal of National Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Is it not amazing, even incredible to find we have these Liberals who claim to be open minded, tolerant, and compassionate (some in national leadership positions even claim to be "Uniters) tell others to stop listening to talk radio. Stop watching FOXNEWS.

    So open minded.
    I fear for the children these folks may have.
    Their minds will be so narrow you won't be able to tell they have a head if you look at them straight on.

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