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    Re: 63% Favor Repeal of National Health Care Plan

    the various govt's of canada, provincial and federal, have been forced by popular outrage for years to admit to serious problems ensnaring their health care delivery, and they have pledged repeatedly to address them

    in the areas of:

    1. wait times

    2. brain drain

    the self confessed problems surrounding health care play central roles in every canadian political campaign

    that is, what are the govt's gonna do about it?

    canadian health care is riddled with rationing---says the canadian govt.

    canadian health care has suffered a devastating brain drain---according to the cbc

    google---"canadian govt addresses health care problems"

    you'll see what I'm saying

    google---"wait times alliance canada," you'll be shocked.

    the govt GIVES ITSELF an "incomplete" grade, by the way, in fixing its troubles

    (unlike obama, who told oprah he got a B+, A- when health care passed)

    CBC News In Depth: Health care

    Canadian Wait Times Alliance Urges Speed in Reducing Health Care Wait Times in Canada

    Addressing doctor shortage crucial, says group - CTV News

    CBC.ca - Canada Votes - Why MDs are scarce and what can be done about it

    Ad blitz aiming to cure doctor shortage

    The doctor won't see you now

    Wait Times for Health Care in Canada - Provincial Data on Wait Times for Health Care in Canada

    About.com: http://gov.ns.ca/health/waittimes/

    CBC News - Health - Wait times for surgery in Canada at all-time high: study

    Wait Times Guarantees for Health Care in Canada - Provincial Health Wait Times Guarantees

    Health system changes will take years: experts - CTV News
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    Re: 63% Favor Repeal of National Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Food isn't something you need at unpredictable intervals and when the need for food pops up it doesn't bankrupt a middle class family. The price of food can't really be spread out amongst the population because everyone has to eat anyway. The need for police protection, fire protection, or health care, on the other hand, can be a catastrophically expensive undertaking for an individual or family.
    But by that logic, all types of insurance should be public - car insurance, etc. Besides, fire protection is mostly provided by volunteers, and police protection is a public good. Health care is not a public good, by definition.

    Besides, we already subsidize food and shelter for people who can't afford it because lack of those things can kill you.
    We have that for health care too; it's called Medicaid.

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    Re: 63% Favor Repeal of National Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    But by that logic, all types of insurance should be public - car insurance, etc. Besides, fire protection is mostly provided by volunteers, and police protection is a public good. Health care is not a public good, by definition.

    We have that for health care too; it's called Medicaid.
    There is only one state that doesn't have a law that requires you to buy auto insurance.

    How is health care, "by definition" not a public good? Where did you find that "definition" that says it's not a public good.

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    Re: 63% Favor Repeal of National Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    But by that logic, all types of insurance should be public - car insurance, etc. Besides, fire protection is mostly provided by volunteers, and police protection is a public good. Health care is not a public good, by definition.



    We have that for health care too; it's called Medicaid.
    Lack of cars or car insurance can't kill you. Plenty of cities employ full-time firefighters and those million-dollar trucks aren't volunteered. Health care should be a public good. It's a service that's tough to afford on your own, can be life-or-death, and by nature isn't subject to many of the usual free-market pressures that would otherwise keep costs low.

    It's foolish to use "by that logic" extrapolations when it comes to this sort of liberal thinking. Just because a guy like me thinks health care should be a public good doesn't mean I think everything should be.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: 63% Favor Repeal of National Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    How is health care, "by definition" not a public good? Where did you find that "definition" that says it's not a public good.
    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Health care should be a public good.
    Maybe you guys need some reading up.

    Public good - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Health care is not a public good. No ifs, ands, buts, or shoulds about it. When you get health care, you are getting health care for yourself and nobody else.

    And frankly, I find it odd when people ask "why not make health care public if X Y and Z are already public?" when the question one SHOULD be asking is "why make health care public if everything except X Y and Z is private?". If something should be public, that implies a specific reason for its incompatibility in the free market that makes socializing it beneficial; private is the default, not the other way around.
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    Re: 63% Favor Repeal of National Health Care Plan

    because it doesn't WORK

    ask the canadian wait times alliances

    look at the er's in massachusetts

    understand how important er SAVINGS were SPOSED to pay for so much of this

    these are PEOPLE we're talking about, not PLATITUDES

    PRAGMATICS trumps IDEALS

    in other words, GET REAL

    because it doesn't WORK

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    Re: 63% Favor Repeal of National Health Care Plan

    you simply cannot expand medicare and medicaid, already overstrained, already crucially relied upon, by 12 million while simultaneously cutting their already insufficent fundings by half a tril, fundamentally

    as immutable as gravity
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    Re: 63% Favor Repeal of National Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    yep..it's very unfortunate that people refuse to educate themselves about this bill, instead believing whatever talk radio feeds them.
    Do you enjoy painting a huge target on your back?

    Why claim everyone who doesn't agree with you are just stupid uneducated sheep, provide no evidence to support yourself then run away?

    This does nothing for the debate and just makes you a target.
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    Re: 63% Favor Repeal of National Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Maybe you guys need some reading up.

    Public good - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Health care is not a public good. No ifs, ands, buts, or shoulds about it. When you get health care, you are getting health care for yourself and nobody else.

    And frankly, I find it odd when people ask "why not make health care public if X Y and Z are already public?" when the question one SHOULD be asking is "why make health care public if everything except X Y and Z is private?". If something should be public, that implies a specific reason for its incompatibility in the free market that makes socializing it beneficial; private is the default, not the other way around.
    Fine, so public good isn't the right term. You still haven't addressed the point you know I was trying to make.

    (I just noticed that when it is pointed out I used the wrong term, I accept it. When I point out conservatives are using "socialism" wrong they start equivocating or change the subject)
    Last edited by Deuce; 05-25-10 at 12:02 AM.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: 63% Favor Repeal of National Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    I don't know which is worse..... Barry's crack use or Billy's, but that's what you get when a Democrat is elected..... crack use.
    Is there a link to back up any president's crack use, or is that just another pile of partisan crap?
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