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    Re: 63% Favor Repeal of National Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The fact that you rely on a drug addict to educate you, speaks volumes.
    I thought we agreed to not talk about Obamas admitted crack use...

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    Re: 63% Favor Repeal of National Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    yep..it's very unfortunate that people refuse to educate themselves about this bill, instead believing whatever talk radio feeds them.
    True that. But misinformation dies a hard death.

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    Re: 63% Favor Repeal of National Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Ever think that we attempt to save the lives of children that don't have a prayer in other countries? And why does it matter to the pro-death party? You'd think this would be a postive for you folks.

    Just think, north of the border two cities, an hour apart, with a combined population of 3 to 4 million could not care for a mildly complicated birth. What did they do, these clever Kanuckistani's? They sent the family to a US village of some 50,000 near the border... to deal with a birth a well established SocialstMed system couldn't handle.

    Don't you find it strange that we never hear of Americans going to Kanuckistan for major procedures, yet it is normal for K-stani's to come south? Just think, they have a military of 3 Moose Hunters and a couple US planes... saving billions... yet their CommiKare still sucks big time.

    Please, the US had the best system by far and wide, and the less government is involved, the better and cheaper it will be. Think if the government got involved with cell phone distribution, pricing and the lot? You wouldn't have one.

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    I post facts, and you come back with a tired hyperpartisan rant.

    "CommiKare in Kanukistan" costs less and has a better result than our vaunted "best system in the world."

    Sorry, but your opinion is not supported by the facts.
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    Re: 63% Favor Repeal of National Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Here's a question:

    Why shouldn't healthcare be considered an essential public service like police and fire protection?
    That's a good question! Truly. I won't argue for the sake of arguing - I'm just looking for the right answer.

    I'm not 100% sure and I can't find any research, but I believe that police and fire protection are all set up locally and aren't mandated to exist by the federal government. Which means you move into communities that have such a protection and it is your choice as to whether or not you want to live in that municipality. That the municipality (or state) is a group of people who set up local laws to include police & fire protection and all members must pay.

    This is ok at the local (and even state) level. But to be a US citizen, one is not required to be in one of these municipalities. The Federal government is strictly prohibited, by my interpretation of the 10th amendment, to make such laws that require US citizens to do anything because they are a US citizen, unless of course the constitution specifically gives the national gov't that right to make such laws. But the local governments are not restricted, according to the same amendment. It states if it's not designated to the national government, it's up to the states or the people respectively. That is because if you disagree with the law, you can move to another state or municipality and still be a US citizen. Or the people can uprise against the legislation more easily at local levels, giving the people more power to live how they want to live. But if the federal government makes these laws that restrict your freedoms, the only way to get out of the law is to give up your citizenship.

    So at the local level, you are electing to give up your freedoms as a US citizen, but you have another choice (you can move) and still be a US citizen. At the federal level, you have no other choice if you are to remain a US citizen. No other choice is synonymous with less freedom. And America is synonymous with freedom. So such federal laws contradict the very definition of America.

    All of this is based on my assumption that I cannot confirm: that the federal government does not force such police & fire dept's to exist at the more local levels. If the federal government does force these departments upon us, I would be against that legislation too (though I would support the actual departments' existences)
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    Re: 63% Favor Repeal of National Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    More than 300 doctors have dropped the program in the last two years, including 50 in the first three months of 2010, according to data compiled by the Houston Chronicle. Texas Medical Association officials, who conducted the 2008 survey, said the numbers far exceeded their assumptions.
    So, that one predates the health care reform bill, and points out a problem that needed to be fixed.

    from that one:

    “The supply of doctors can’t be increased very quickly – there’s a time lag,” he said, adding, “Is the last resort to newly covered people the emergency room? I would say that is a possibility, but I wouldn’t say anybody has a very good handle on exactly how much of an infrastructure problem there will be or exactly how it might work out.”
    So it will take some time to build up enough health care professionals to put the US system on a par with other civilized nations. OK, should we start now, or wait?


    From that one:
    FLORENCE, S.C—Tandem forces of shrinking state budgets and rising health-care costs have collided and struck a small brick ranch house in this rural town, home to Barbara Hickey.
    Not sure just what that one has to do with the federal health care reform. It does point out the biggest problem with the bill that finally did get past all of the naysayers and prophets of doom: It doesn't do enough to rein in the costs of health care. There is still work to be done, a lot of it, and it probably isn't going to happen until a lot more middle class voters lose their health care. It will happen eventually, of course, and for that very reason.


    ATT, Verizon, and other large companies are going to have to quit providing health insurance to retirees sooner rather than later, reform or not. It is too expensive.


    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    check out the sources, you know rush would (LOL!)
    Done.

    While I have to agree that the health care reform bill that finally came out of all of the hype and doomsaying about "death panels" and all that nonsense is a long, long way from what has to be done, the voices of unreason simply will not allow any meaningful reform to take place.

    That health care is too expensive is an understatement, but saying that it is due to the watered down practically compromised out of existence plan that resulted from the unholy coalition of ideologues and health industry lobbyists has caused it to be too expensive is to ignore the history of attempts to bring the US medical system into the modern world.

    This issue seriously needs to be revisited, but it isn't going to happen for some time now. Meanwhile, things will get worse, and the ideologues will continue to claim that the health care bill is to blame.
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    Re: 63% Favor Repeal of National Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I thought we agreed to not talk about Obamas admitted crack use...
    I don't know which is worse..... Barry's crack use or Billy's, but that's what you get when a Democrat is elected..... crack use.
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    Re: 63% Favor Repeal of National Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Here's a question:

    Why shouldn't healthcare be considered an essential public service like police and fire protection?
    Here's a question:

    If health care should be considered an essential public service, why not food and shelter? Why not clothing and even telephones? What makes health care special?

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    Re: 63% Favor Repeal of National Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Here's a question:

    If health care should be considered an essential public service, why not food and shelter? Why not clothing and even telephones? What makes health care special?
    I would have to place food way above health care on the list of essential services.... i.e., how long can you go without food as opposed to health care?

    Then you have phone service..... what good does health care do you if you can't call the Doctor?

    Transportation..... how you going to get to the Doctor if you don't have transportation.

    Gas..... this should be self explanatory.

    Cloths..... ditto.

    Housing..... how long are you going to last without a roof over your head?

    Big screen TV...... small screen TVs cause eye strain, and how am I going to know what drugs I need if I can't watch the commercials that tell me what drugs I need so I can tell my Doctor?

    Seems like a person can find all kinds of things that are essential services.

    Oh yeah..... California King water bed, my Doctor says it will help my aching back.
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    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: 63% Favor Repeal of National Health Care Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    I don't know which is worse..... Barry's crack use or Billy's, but that's what you get when a Democrat is elected..... crack use.
    Im just really suprised at D2 bringing up our presidential crack head in a discussion. Thats not really like him...

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