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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

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    One more time, I'm not asking for equipment to work at depths of 5000 feet.


    I'm not qualified to have a solution or I'd be out there helping. I'm asking for the Government to tell us what they're doing to mitigate this disaster and to bring the full force of the Federal Government to assist in the assessment of impact and the clean up.
    Isn't it the Conservative philosophy to let the market take care of things?

    The "market" told them to drill at 5,000 feet below water and avoid paying $500,000 and making sure their back-up plans were effective.

    Hell, Rand Paul has already called Obama "un-American" for being upset at BP; shouldn't we just let the market do as it will?

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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Isn't it the Conservative philosophy to let the market take care of things?

    The "market" told them to drill at 5,000 feet below water and avoid paying $500,000 and making sure their back-up plans were effective.

    Hell, Rand Paul has already called Obama "un-American" for being upset at BP; shouldn't we just let the market do as it will?
    n an interview Friday on ABC's "Good Morning America," Paul says the president's response is part of the "blame game" that's played in the U.S. Paul said that leads to the thinking that tragic incidents are "always someone's fault" and added, sometimes accidents just happen.

    No, accidents don't just happen. There is always a reason and it can almost always be traced to a human error. In this case, BP caused the accident.
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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

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    n an interview Friday on ABC's "Good Morning America," Paul says the president's response is part of the "blame game" that's played in the U.S. Paul said that leads to the thinking that tragic incidents are "always someone's fault" and added, sometimes accidents just happen.

    No, accidents don't just happen. There is always a reason and it can almost always be traced to a human error. In this case, BP caused the accident.
    Oh, hell yeah, this is BP's fault.

    I was trying to point out that you'll only get more of this if you actually want the small government, Libertarian philosophy of deregulation.

    This is what you are essentially HOPING for if you don't believe the government should regulate business.

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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Isn't it the Conservative philosophy to let the market take care of things?

    The "market" told them to drill at 5,000 feet below water and avoid paying $500,000 and making sure their back-up plans were effective.

    Hell, Rand Paul has already called Obama "un-American" for being upset at BP; shouldn't we just let the market do as it will?
    So you advocate pure anarchy or just trying to show how bad free markets are when there's a disaster? Extreme positions with unreasonable views really don't incite me to respond. The one time the Federal Government is required to step in is to protect it's citizens. This is one of those times. Why do you have the Constitution?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So you advocate pure anarchy or just trying to show how bad free markets are when there's a disaster? Extreme positions with unreasonable views really don't incite me to respond. The one time the Federal Government is required to step in is to protect it's citizens. This is one of those times. Why do you have the Constitution?
    Of course, if the regulators had done their jobs; or if we'd realized that what we're dealing with is incredibly risky and opted not to do it in the first place, this wouldn't be happening at all.

    If your mantra (not yours personally, just those on the right) is "drill baby, drill" then you should probably be prepared for the eventualities of a spill. Since this rig was approved in 1998 and built in 2001, the blame for the lack of response by the government (or the lack of ability) should be shared along several administrations.

    If, indeed, you believe that Obama is "in bed" with big oil - then you can't suddenly believe that all the administrations before were any better. Simultaneously, why would ANY upcoming president be expected to be better?

    If there should have been preparations for these things, why isn't the anger directed at the heads of government who approved the drilling in the first place WITHOUT these protections in place?

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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So you advocate pure anarchy or just trying to show how bad free markets are when there's a disaster? Extreme positions with unreasonable views really don't incite me to respond. The one time the Federal Government is required to step in is to protect it's citizens. This is one of those times. Why do you have the Constitution?
    Do you hold the same belief about the situation in Katrina?
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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

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    Where are the Senate and House hearings? This is worse than Katrina. Obama is asleep, and doing nothing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sarah Palin
    Drill, baby, drill.
    She who smelt it dealt it.

    They are ALL in bed with big oil. Not just some, so it doesn't make sense to point the finger, if you were a cheerleader for drilling to begin with. And yes, I agree. Obama should have done more, but didn't.
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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Of course, if the regulators had done their jobs; or if we'd realized that what we're dealing with is incredibly risky and opted not to do it in the first place, this wouldn't be happening at all.

    If your mantra (not yours personally, just those on the right) is "drill baby, drill" then you should probably be prepared for the eventualities of a spill. Since this rig was approved in 1998 and built in 2001, the blame for the lack of response by the government (or the lack of ability) should be shared along several administrations.
    What you say is absolutely true. It was and is risky and it's my belief BP or Halliburton or whomever was working that rig cut corners. Someone LET them cut corners and then this happened. So I think the blame will be enough to go around and will hit almost everyone. That said, this won't be the last spill as I think we'll be oil bound for another 30-40 years before we can get off the stuff in a big enough way to make a dent. I think drilling will continue and this lesson will change behavior both for Government and for corporations who drill after this mess.

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    If, indeed, you believe that Obama is "in bed" with big oil - then you can't suddenly believe that all the administrations before were any better. Simultaneously, why would ANY upcoming president be expected to be better?
    Unfortunately no - no better. Obama was / is in bed no more or less than prior or current politicians. This has been an issue it's just that this particular accident happened on Obama's watch.

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    If there should have been preparations for these things, why isn't the anger directed at the heads of government who approved the drilling in the first place WITHOUT these protections in place?
    It should be but right now the message is being controlled. Government failed at certain levels - perhaps in some we yet do not know. BP certainly is culpable, and inspectors, and probably dozens more. But now is not the time for blame - now is the time for collaborative work, leadership and stopping the flow asap. Then we can sort it all out and take the few pounds of flesh as needed.

    I'm pissed at the very short term errors - where my view is, BP is in charge, BP is trying all sorts of things and Government is playing politics by signing executive orders, assigning tasks and resources with no clear cut goals or objectives. THAT is a mistake and should be rectified. A mistake that we shoudl not be adding to the mountain of mistakes already made.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Do you hold the same belief about the situation in Katrina?
    Yes, Government had to step in with Katrina due to the human toll and devastation. One of the basic tenants of Government is that it has to protect it's citizens.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Yes, Government had to step in with Katrina due to the human toll and devastation. One of the basic tenants of Government is that it has to protect it's citizens.
    I thought it was a states issue?
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