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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Only it wasn't Obama who was stationed at the post - it was BP.

    For too long Congress has allowed the oil companies to regulate themselves. Because they only look at the bottom line and try to cut costs whenever they can, something like this was bound to happen sooner or later.

    Also, Katrina was a natural disaster. There was nothing that could be done to stop or prevent the hurricane doing from what it was doing. This oil spill could have been totally preventable by installing a remote cut-off switch that BP uses in it's oil platforms off the coast of England. However, U.S. law does not require oil companies to use these, so BP didn't to save on costs.

    For a third, the government response has been pretty fast for this oil spill, all things considered, or as fast as can be expected. It takes times to fix problems like these. But whenever Congress tries to pass laws that prevent these kinds of things, conservatives decry it as "more federal regulation on private businesses that will cause corporations that provide jobs to Americans to leave this country, and we can't have that!" So because conservatives block American legislation, I don't see why they're lambasting Obama for apparently not doing anything when the conservative position is that the government shouldn't get involved in such things.
    I'll give you full marks for a valiant effort, but the Gong Show act got Gonged looong ago.

    9 days after the spill he sent a gaggle of bureaucrats, lawyers, envirohacks. Oh, and a SWAT team from the Enviromaniac Dept! That's our man of the moment. The man with great judgment and swift action.

    These folks he sent know nothing about engineering or the oil business. It would be like sending a group of lawyers after the world watched the towers fall on 911 to confirm the buildings collapsed and to open the market as wide as possible for claims.

    That's after 9-days, and a chorus of questions from talk radio. The evil ones Obi says we shouldn't listen to.

    It would be great to run a parallel disaster with Bush as president, and listen to and watch the furor. Watch and hear the difference in treatment.

    They (meaning the opposition; the US Pres corps) would have used Bush's oil background and Cheney's having run Halliburton (and did a fine job btw). It would have been a blood bath of enormous proportions. Obi though he loves oil money and Wall Street money... well, "he's the one we have been waiting for." Can'touch'at.

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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Your big complaint was that nobody in the government was telling you what was being done. You got your answer.
    No I got political spin from a White House website.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Pardon me if I don't give a crap about your endless complaints. The government isn't the bad guy here. BP is. Go complain to them.
    So why respond if you don't care? You're starting to bore the hell out of me with your childish tantrums. Speak like a grown up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    The ONLY thing the Obama administration can be faulted with here is not undoing the deregulation/non-oversight damage Dick Cheney's Energy Task Farce did before this disaster hit.
    That's nice armchair quarterbacking, but irrelevant since the oil is still spilling. Where's the "leader" Obama we've heard all about? Will he make an appearance or will you just send me to another White House website? Time to extract your head from the Obamabot doll's ass and be honest and real about what's going on.

    We'll get to your deregulation, the lawsuits, the public beatings of BP and all the oil company's... that's all still coming. The lack of ownership and assistance while sitting back and laying blame on BP while America and our people, our wildlife, our livelihoods suffer is unacceptable. BP's at fault, but BP needs help to stop the bleed and then we can kick the hell out of them.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    How soon we forget that this is from the "drill baby drill" woman.

    She's accusing him of being in bed with big oil while she's snuggling up to them from the other side of the bed.
    I'll bet you she won't deny working with oil companies, and is supportive of oil drilling. That's not the point.

    The point is:

    Obi liked oil money.
    He got a lot of it.
    He's tight with the crowd man.
    He's as much an oil man as he is a Uniter.
    Actually his is more of an oil man, as he's got fist fulls of their cash. He hasn't united squat yet, except to unite his party to a 99.99% partisan vote to screw the country.

    He is an oil man. But he acts so coy. Like he's a virgin.
    That's the point.
    No, no, no... he's no virgin.
    They paid enough to violate every orifice of his. I mean office.

    Palin, she's an unabashed oil Babe.

    Y'know, it's not like others will stop drilling in that region if we stop.
    We've got tons of oil and could change market prices, but... our politicians prefer we overpay and stay dependent on others oil while we build useless wind farms.

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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    That's nice armchair quarterbacking, but irrelevant since the oil is still spilling. Where's the "leader" Obama we've heard all about?
    He's directing things from his seat of command, getting all the appropriate agencies geared up and funded. What do you want him to do? Put on a pair of waders and start stringing out oil booms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Will he make an appearance
    And "making an appearance" during a disaster will help get the oil stopped more quickly how? What will bringing in a phalanx of massive oil-guzzling SUVs, an entourage of Secret Service personnel, and a mob of roving reporters do to make things easier for the clean-up crews and better for you, exactly?

    Time to extract your head from your IHATEOBAMA ass and be honest and real about what's NOT going to help.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    laying blame on BP ... is unacceptable. BP's at fault
    So you're saying that we shouldn't blame BP, even though, according to you, BP is at fault.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    BP needs help to stop the bleed
    And now you're attempting to lessen BP's responsibility by saying only that it should "help" fix the problem it's created, while making Obama your scapegoat because he hasn't yet fixed the problem BP created.


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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

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    Where are the Senate and House hearings? This is worse than Katrina. Obama is asleep, and doing nothing.
    Wait....the Republocrats in bed with big oil! Say it's not so!!! What's next? The sky is blue!? Oh when will the insanity end!?
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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    He's directing things from his seat of command, getting all the appropriate agencies geared up and funded. What do you want him to do? Put on a pair of waders and start stringing out oil booms?
    I don't see the directing from a seat of command. So are they gearing up and if so, what's taking them so long? Or were they there from day 1? If so, why isn't more happening? I just want leadership and I don't see it from a website.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    And "making an appearance" during a disaster will help get the oil stopped more quickly how?
    By bringing the full weight of the President to the issue. And I don't just want an appearance, I want full on weekly briefings to the country - what's happening, what was done, how Government is bring new resources and help directly. And I want Obama to lay it out to us. It's called "leadership" and owning the issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    What will bringing in a phalanx of massive oil-guzzling SUVs, an entourage of Secret Service personnel, and a mob of roving reporters do to make things easier for the clean-up crews and better for you, exactly?
    Bringing all that brings pressure, attention and the most powerful elected official to bear on the issue. That's a lot actually.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Time to extract your head from your IHATEOBAMA ass and be honest and real about what's NOT going to help.
    I will when I see some leadership and not the hands-off approach. I've been nothing but honest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    So you're saying that we shouldn't blame BP, even though, according to you, BP is at fault.
    I'm saying I want Government to step up and lead until the bleeding is stopped. Then kick BP's butt.

    You're hackery is preventing you from reading the English language apparently. Sorry I can't make my views more elementary and simple so you can understand them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    And now you're attempting to lessen BP's responsibility by saying only that it should "help" fix the problem it's created, while making Obama your scapegoat because he hasn't yet fixed the problem BP created.
    Lessening or exacerbating responsibility is done after the damage is stopped. The clear priority here is to stop the oil from flowing into the Gulf. If you can't understand that, you're obviously a lost cause. Then just sit back and continue the Obama defense kool-aide party.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

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    Where are the Senate and House hearings? This is worse than Katrina. Obama is asleep, and doing nothing.
    You know, whether it's Bush or Obama, I don't understand why all of a sudden people want the Federal Government to do something? I still do not understand the hypocracy of this argument. Surely for the people of the gulf coasts, it's just bad luck and they need to sort themselves out, just like people who get sick... too bad you're sick and poor, no doctor or treatment for you! So why should the people of New Orleans or the Gulf Coast get any help from the Feds over this? I thought the states had to sort themselves out. According to some conservatives logic anyway... but hey, any chance to stick it to Obama eh

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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    You know, whether it's Bush or Obama, I don't understand why all of a sudden people want the Federal Government to do something? I still do not understand the hypocracy of this argument. Surely for the people of the gulf coasts, it's just bad luck and they need to sort themselves out, just like people who get sick... too bad you're sick and poor, no doctor or treatment for you! So why should the people of New Orleans or the Gulf Coast get any help from the Feds over this? I thought the states had to sort themselves out. According to some conservatives logic anyway... but hey, any chance to stick it to Obama eh
    Yep, all of a sudden the same loud mouthed teabagger types, squealing, pissing and moaning for their Holy Grail of "smaller government," are running their pieholes that "da gubmint ainta doooin" 'nuff."

    Lame, just freakin' lame.

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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    Quote Originally Posted by The Uncola View Post
    Yep, all of a sudden the same loud mouthed teabagger types, squealing, pissing and moaning for their Holy Grail of "smaller government," are running their pieholes that "da gubmint ainta doooin" 'nuff."

    Lame, just freakin' lame.
    And tossing around the insults somehow sets a higher example of how to conduct yourself in the political circle?

    I consider leaning on the government to be quite 'lame'

    However - since the government decided to regulate, set the requirements and otherwise specify what can and cannot be done then they share some responsibility for seeing to things when it crumbles into a disaster.
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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I don't see the directing from a seat of command.
    Yeah, and people in Hell want ice water. Your butt-hurt "BUT WHAT ABOUT MY PERSONAL NEEDS DURING THIS NATIONAL DISASTER?!?" whining has absolutely no bearing on anything.

    Maybe you should ask the President if he wouldn't mind you hanging out in the Oval Office while he does his job, so you can "see" for yourself what he's doing at any given moment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So are they gearing up and if so, what's taking them so long?
    This isn't Star Trek, pal. You expect the President to just snap his fingers and "Make it so, Number One?" Really? You do understand how enormous this mess is, right? How many thousands of people are needed to work on the problem? How much money, equipment, supplies, boats, aircraft, etc., are required? How much research and planning and theorizing and brainstorming is needed? The people who SHOULD ALREADY know what to do and be prepared to do it - BP - are blithering idiots and entirely at fault, but all you seem capable of doing is complaining about Obama.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Or were they there from day 1?
    Yes, our government was there from day one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    If so, why isn't more happening?
    Again, this isn't Star Trek. There are no less than eleven government agencies working full-tilt on the problem. Not even BP knows what to do, and this is their freaking bread and butter. So what more do you want the President to do, exactly? Give us specifics, not your vague and whiny "But he's not doing enough! He's not informing me personally about every action being taken! WAAAAHHHH!" GIVE US SPECIFICS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I just want leadership
    Obama is leading. Nobody else is overseeing the government's actions in this disaster BUT Obama. If you think otherwise, you're seriously uninformed. BP has failed COMPLETELY and our President and our government are doing whatever is in their power to mitigate the situation. That you expect/demand more just illustrates your extreme inability to view the matter realistically or rationally. All you want to do is point fingers at Obama and complain.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    By bringing the full weight of the President to the issue.
    So, you think that traipsing around and getting in the way of the people who are desperately working on the problem is preferable to staying the hell out of their way so they can do their jobs, because gumming up the works with a personal appearance would somehow make the oil go away faster? And we all know if Obama were to do such a thing, you'd complain that the only reason he was there was for a "photo op."

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    And I don't just want an appearance, I want full on weekly briefings to the country. - what's happening, what was done, how Government is bring new resources and help directly. And I want Obama to lay it out to us. It's called "leadership" and owning the issue.
    Your Weekly Address. Press Briefings. Statements and Releases. Presidential Actions.

    I'd be curious to know how loudly you complained during the Bush administration that you didn't get personally delivered weekly updates on every aspect of the government's activities during, say, Katrina.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Bringing all that brings pressure, attention and the most powerful elected official to bear on the issue.
    Right. Because nobody is paying any attention as it is. Only if the President sets foot on the shores of the Gulf will the true enormity of this disaster begin to resonate with the public.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I will when I see some leadership and not the hands-off approach. I've been nothing but honest.
    What crap. You don't like Obama. WE GET IT. Go put some salve on your poor hurting butt. :roll

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I'm saying I want Government to step up and lead until the bleeding is stopped.

    What more would you have the government do?
    I've asked several times and all you can come up with is ignorant complaints about "leadership" and "weekly reports." Give us specific actions you want the government to take that (a) have some basis in reality and (b) aren't being done already. Whining that "they should do more" and "stop the flow of oil" ain't cutting it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The clear priority here is to stop the oil from flowing into the Gulf. If you can't understand that, you're obviously a lost cause.
    What you seem incapable of understanding is that BP is the supposed "expert" on underwater oil drilling, and THEY'RE completely clueless about how to "stop the oil from flowing into the Gulf." That you not only expect the President to have all the answers, but to also fix everything with a snap of his fingers, AND keep you personally informed about his every action, indicates serious delusion on your part.

    Finally, why don't tell us all how much you "want the government out of our business" now?

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