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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Since the spill is still going on apparently no one has the ability to deal with it.
    Which is the reason why we never should have been there to begin with.
    I absolutely, 110% agree. This is the ecological disaster the very same people who are now defending the environmental criminals of Big Oil, swore would NEVER happen.

    They are lying scum and should be locked up and NEVER released.

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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, they don't, but one would think that the gubmint, all knowing and all able to prevent all the bad stuff from happening, would have the neccessary gear to work the slick on the surface.
    BS rightie talking garbage.

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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    Wasn't one of Sarah Palin's crowning achievements putting a 1,700 mile oil pipeline across Alaska?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

    In August 2008, Palin signed a bill authorizing the State of Alaska to award TransCanada Pipelines—the sole bidder to meet the state's requirements—a license to build and operate a pipeline to transport natural gas from the North Slope to the Continental United States through Canada.[124] The governor also pledged $500 million in seed money to support the project.[125] It is estimated that the project will cost $26 billion.[124] Newsweek described the project as "the principal achievement of Sarah Palin's term as Alaska's governor."[126] The pipeline faces legal challenges from Canadian First Nations.[126]
    Sarah Palin is a publicity whore.
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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I'm judging people on what they're NOT saying. I want them to tell us what they're doing.

    Sheesh. If you really want to know what the administration is doing, all you have to do is look.

    Or maybe you were expecting an engraved letter from the President, hand delivered on a silver platter, explaining it all to you in monosyllabic terms?


    Deepwater BP Oil Spill Federal Response Resources

    Check out the links below to find out how federal departments and agencies are responding to the Deepwater BP Oil Spill:

    Joint Information Center
    At the beginning of the event, the Coast Guard elevated the response and established a Regional Command Center and Joint Information Center in Robert, La., inviting all partners in the response to join. Get the latest updates from the partners on the ground in the Gulf Coast: Deepwater Horizon Response

    Department of Homeland Security (DHS)
    Since the moments after the oil rig explosion on the night of April 20, DHS has played a lead role in federal response efforts—deploying the U.S. Coast Guard to search and rescue the 126 people aboard the rig, and quickly leading efforts to establish a command center on the Gulf Coast to address the potential environmental impact of the event and to coordinate with all state and local governments. Secretary Napolitano leads the National Response Team, an organization of 16 federal departments and agencies responsible for coordinating emergency preparedness and response to oil and hazardous substance pollution events.

    U.S. Coast Guard
    The Coast Guard has played a major role from the very beginning, when it responded to the explosion on a search and rescue mission to save lives. Pursuant to the National Contingency Plan, Rear Admiral Mary Landry was named the Federal On-Scene Coordinator to lead a Regional Response Team which was stood up that included DHS, DOC/NOAA, DOI and the EPA, as well as state and local representatives. As the event escalated, Coast Guard Admiral Thad Allen was announced as the National Incident Commander for the administration’s continued, coordinated response—providing additional coordinated oversight in leveraging every available resource to respond to the BP oil spill and minimize the associated environmental risks.

    Department of the Interior (DOI)

    The morning after the explosion, Secretary of the Interior deployed Deputy Secretary David J. Hayes to the Gulf Coast to assist with coordination and response to the event, and provide hourly reports back to the administration. Since then, DOI has played a vital role in overseeing BP’s response efforts while—at the President’s request—working to deliver a report with recommendations on what, if any, additional safety measures should be required for offshore operations. Secretary Salazar has announced that inspections of all deepwater rigs and platforms are underway.

    Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)

    Since the BP Oil Spill, EPA has provided full support to the U.S. Coast Guard and is monitoring and responding to potential public health and environmental concerns. Environmental data, including air quality and water samples, will be posted and frequently updated on this site as it is collected and validated by EPA’s response teams along the impacted coastlines. This data is meant to determine potential risks to public health and the environment: EPA Response to BP Spill in the Gulf of Mexico | US EPA

    National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
    As the nation’s leading scientific resource for oil spills, NOAA has been on the scene of the Deepwater Horizon spill from the start, providing coordinated scientific weather and biological response services to federal, state and local organizations: Deepwater Horizon Incident, Gulf of Mexico | Recent and Historical Incidents | Emergency Response | NOAA's National Ocean Service Office of Response and Restoration
    Weather Forecast: NWS

    Small Business Administration
    SBA is making low-interest loans available to small businesses in the Gulf Coast regions of Alabama, Florida, Louisiana and Mississippi suffering financial losses following the April 20 Deepwater BP oil spill that shut down commercial and recreational fishing in the Gulf of Mexico. SBA’s Economic Injury Disaster Loans (EIDL) are available immediately in designated counties and parishes of each of the four states to help meet the financial needs of qualifying small businesses following the oil spill: SBA Disaster Assistance Loans

    Department of Defense (DOD)

    DOD continues to support the ongoing response effort by lending Naval and Air Force bases to provide vital staging areas for boom deployments and other activities, and providing C-130 aircraft equipped with Modular Aerial Spray Systems, which dispense chemical dispersant—capable of covering up to 250 acres per flight. DOD also plays a significant role in the National Response Team, helping to lead the coordination of response actions for the federal government. Secretary of Defense Gates has authorized use of Title 32 status for up to 17,500 National Guard members in four states: Alabama (3,000), Florida (2,500), Louisiana (6,000) and Mississippi (6,000).

    Department of the Interior’s Fish and Wildlife Service

    The Fish and Wildlife Service continues to support the joint agency response to the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico with experienced specialists, land managers, and support personnel. Booms to capture and deflect anticipated oil are being deployed at Breton National Wildlife Refuge, where thousands of brown pelicans and shorebirds are currently nesting. The Service also is initiating Natural Resource Damage Assessment and Restoration activities in this incident to assess and address the long-term damage to impacted resources: USFWS - FWS Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill Response

    Department of the Interior’s National Park Service

    The National Park Service is focused on human safety and resource protection in eight national parks in the Gulf area. These parks are working to assess resources, collect baseline data, coordinate boom placements, plan for responsible cleanup, install barriers for shore bird and turtle nest protection, and plan for potential park closures, if necessary: U.S. National Park Service NPS Oil Spill Response

    National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health
    Oil spill response workers may be exposed to many different chemical, physical, biological, and psychological hazards. These hazards vary depending on the type and location of the oil spill, type and stage of response, degree of coordination between entities involved in response and recovery, and the workers’ specific tasks. Therefore, occupational and environmental hazards need to be identified, assessed, and monitored in each oil spill response: CDC - Oil Spill Response Resources - NIOSH Workplace Safety and Health Topic

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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    You have to admire the irony of a former governor of ALASKA trashing someone for being "in bed with big oil".

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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Sheesh. If you really want to know what the administration is doing, all you have to do is look.

    Or maybe you were expecting an engraved letter from the President, hand delivered on a silver platter, explaining it all to you in monosyllabic terms?
    That's called "chartware". Like signing an executive order.

    I guess what I expect is the Government - ie. Obama & all these wonderful organizations - to go out and take charge and lead... LEAD... the cleanup. But as some have already surmised, that would mean taking ownership. So what we have is a lot of "chartware" while the WH press conference stresses boots to throats. Your list reminds me of 20 guys working on a pot hole on a highway. 19 of them are watching the 1 guy actually do the work. And right from the top page of your link, a quote from Obama.

    "We're going to do everything in our power to protect our natural resources, compensate those who have been harmed, rebuild what has been damaged, and help this region persevere like it has done so many times before."
    I don't think that's true. No company or agency or conglomeration of agency's have either the resources, political and financial support or the ability to take charge of a disaster, more than the Federal Government. This is the ONE time when Government SHOULD be front and center. Instead, they started out on the wrong foot by trying to say they were involved from "day 1", which no one, not even the media bought.

    And really -- of course the WH web page is going to have all sorts of positive spin things on it saying that they're doing everything possible and more. Pardon me if I don't see the "chartware" as credible.
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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    Our government governs by proxy - they employ or govern how other branches and non-government stems can conduct their business.
    Most countries in Europe directly govern things, thus, the government runs public transportation, utilities and so on.
    Which is why our government always is telling others what to do, passing laws and mandates and tying strings to blank checks.
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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    You have to admire the irony of a former governor of ALASKA trashing someone for being "in bed with big oil".
    How much money did Palin receive from big oil while being Governor? I mean, if it's verified and substantial I'd agree, it's ironic.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    We'll never know. It's not as clear as it was with Stevens, who basically has "property of Exxon-Mobil" stamped onto everything he owns, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that her purse hasn't been lined with cash from the big energy companies. Alaska's lifeblood is oil, and that's obvious and irrefutable. It costs money to turn the other cheek.

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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    That's called "chartware". Like signing an executive order.

    I guess what I expect is the Government - ie. Obama & all these wonderful organizations - to go out and take charge and lead... LEAD... the cleanup. But as some have already surmised, that would mean taking ownership. So what we have is a lot of "chartware" while the WH press conference stresses boots to throats. Your list reminds me of 20 guys working on a pot hole on a highway. 19 of them are watching the 1 guy actually do the work. And right from the top page of your link, a quote from Obama.

    I don't think that's true. No company or agency or conglomeration of agency's have either the resources, political and financial support or the ability to take charge of a disaster, more than the Federal Government. This is the ONE time when Government SHOULD be front and center. Instead, they started out on the wrong foot by trying to say they were involved from "day 1", which no one, not even the media bought.

    And really -- of course the WH web page is going to have all sorts of positive spin things on it saying that they're doing everything possible and more.
    Your big complaint was that nobody in the government was telling you what was being done. You got your answer.

    Now you want to complain about something else. Wah wah waaahhhhh.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Pardon me if I don't see the "chartware" as credible.
    Pardon me if I don't give a crap about your endless complaints. The government isn't the bad guy here. BP is. Go complain to them.

    The ONLY thing the Obama administration can be faulted with here is not undoing the deregulation/non-oversight damage Dick Cheney's Energy Task Farce did before this disaster hit.


    Sure, the Obama administration bears some responsibility for not reinstating the requirement for an acoustic cutoff switch for deep water oil rigs, but let us not forget that:

    Dick Cheney’s secretive energy task force concluded that $500,000 for remote shutoff was simply too great a burden, and the former V.P. and his team didn’t want to force BP and other oil companies to spend the money.

    Has anybody seen the MSM even mentioned this?

    As the Wall Street Journal reports, after a spill in 2000, the [Minerals Management Service] issued a safety notice saying that such a back-up device is “an essential component of a deepwater drilling system.” The industry pushed back in 2001, citing alleged doubts about the capacity of this type of system to provide a reliable emergency backup. By 2003, government regulators decided that the matter needed more study after commissioning a report that offered another, more honest reason: “acoustic systems are not recommended because they tend to be very costly.” I guess that depends on what they’re compared to.

    The system costs about $500,000 per rig. BP is spending at least $5 million per day battling the spill, the well destroyed by the explosion is valued at $560 million, and estimated damages to fishing, tourism, and the environment already run into the billions.
    Also, let us not forget the agency that was the MMS during the Bush administration:

    The Minerals Management Service is the part of the Interior Department responsible for offshore drilling. Towards the end of the Clinton administration, MMS officials wanted rigs to have the acoustic shutoff switches, but by 2003, the agency had changed direction.

    What happened in those three years? Well, for one thing, the MMS in the Bush/Cheney era became one of the most corrupt government agencies in American history. The Minerals Management Service proudly embraced an anything-goes atmosphere that led to literally Caligula-like corruption and debauchery — federal officials traded cocaine and sex for lucrative oil contracts, for example.

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