Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

zimmer · May 24, 2010

samsmart said:
Only it wasn't Obama who was stationed at the post - it was BP.

For too long Congress has allowed the oil companies to regulate themselves. Because they only look at the bottom line and try to cut costs whenever they can, something like this was bound to happen sooner or later.

Also, Katrina was a natural disaster. There was nothing that could be done to stop or prevent the hurricane doing from what it was doing. This oil spill could have been totally preventable by installing a remote cut-off switch that BP uses in it's oil platforms off the coast of England. However, U.S. law does not require oil companies to use these, so BP didn't to save on costs.

For a third, the government response has been pretty fast for this oil spill, all things considered, or as fast as can be expected. It takes times to fix problems like these. But whenever Congress tries to pass laws that prevent these kinds of things, conservatives decry it as "more federal regulation on private businesses that will cause corporations that provide jobs to Americans to leave this country, and we can't have that!" So because conservatives block American legislation, I don't see why they're lambasting Obama for apparently not doing anything when the conservative position is that the government shouldn't get involved in such things.

I'll give you full marks for a valiant effort, but the Gong Show act got Gonged looong ago.

9 days after the spill he sent a gaggle of bureaucrats, lawyers, envirohacks. Oh, and a SWAT team from the Enviromaniac Dept! That's our man of the moment. The man with great judgment and swift action.

These folks he sent know nothing about engineering or the oil business. It would be like sending a group of lawyers after the world watched the towers fall on 911 to confirm the buildings collapsed and to open the market as wide as possible for claims.

That's after 9-days, and a chorus of questions from talk radio. The evil ones Obi says we shouldn't listen to.

It would be great to run a parallel disaster with Bush as president, and listen to and watch the furor. Watch and hear the difference in treatment.

They (meaning the opposition; the US Pres corps) would have used Bush's oil background and Cheney's having run Halliburton (and did a fine job btw). It would have been a blood bath of enormous proportions. Obi though he loves oil money and Wall Street money... well, "he's the one we have been waiting for." Can'touch'at.

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Ockham · May 24, 2010

Glinda said:
Your big complaint was that nobody in the government was telling you what was being done. You got your answer.

No I got political spin from a White House website.

Glinda said:
Pardon me if I don't give a crap about your endless complaints. The government isn't the bad guy here. BP is. Go complain to them.

So why respond if you don't care? You're starting to bore the hell out of me with your childish tantrums. Speak like a grown up.

Glinda said:
The ONLY thing the Obama administration can be faulted with here is not undoing the deregulation/non-oversight damage Dick Cheney's Energy Task Farce did before this disaster hit.

That's nice armchair quarterbacking, but irrelevant since the oil is still spilling. Where's the "leader" Obama we've heard all about? Will he make an appearance or will you just send me to another White House website? Time to extract your head from the Obamabot doll's ass and be honest and real about what's going on.

We'll get to your deregulation, the lawsuits, the public beatings of BP and all the oil company's... that's all still coming. The lack of ownership and assistance while sitting back and laying blame on BP while America and our people, our wildlife, our livelihoods suffer is unacceptable. BP's at fault, but BP needs help to stop the bleed and then we can kick the hell out of them.

zimmer · May 24, 2010

FilmFestGuy said:
How soon we forget that this is from the "drill baby drill" woman.

She's accusing him of being in bed with big oil while she's snuggling up to them from the other side of the bed.

I'll bet you she won't deny working with oil companies, and is supportive of oil drilling. That's not the point.

The point is:

Obi liked oil money.
He got a lot of it.
He's tight with the crowd man.
He's as much an oil man as he is a Uniter.
Actually his is more of an oil man, as he's got fist fulls of their cash. He hasn't united squat yet, except to unite his party to a 99.99% partisan vote to screw the country.

He is an oil man. But he acts so coy. Like he's a virgin.
That's the point.
No, no, no... he's no virgin.
They paid enough to violate every orifice of his. I mean office.

Palin, she's an unabashed oil Babe.

Y'know, it's not like others will stop drilling in that region if we stop.
We've got tons of oil and could change market prices, but... our politicians prefer we overpay and stay dependent on others oil while we build useless wind farms.

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Glinda · May 24, 2010

Ockham said:
That's nice armchair quarterbacking, but irrelevant since the oil is still spilling. Where's the "leader" Obama we've heard all about?

He's directing things from his seat of command, getting all the appropriate agencies geared up and funded. What do you want him to do? Put on a pair of waders and start stringing out oil booms? :doh

Ockham said:
Will he make an appearance

And "making an appearance" during a disaster will help get the oil stopped more quickly how? What will bringing in a phalanx of massive oil-guzzling SUVs, an entourage of Secret Service personnel, and a mob of roving reporters do to make things easier for the clean-up crews and better for you, exactly? :roll:

Time to extract your head from your IHATEOBAMA ass and be honest and real about what's NOT going to help.

Ockham said:
laying blame on BP ... is unacceptable. BP's at fault

So you're saying that we shouldn't blame BP, even though, according to you, BP is at fault. :screwy

Ockham said:
BP needs help to stop the bleed

And now you're attempting to lessen BP's responsibility by saying only that it should "help" fix the problem it's created, while making Obama your scapegoat because he hasn't yet fixed the problem BP created.

:spin:

Ikari · May 24, 2010

American said:
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Where are the Senate and House hearings? This is worse than Katrina. Obama is asleep, and doing nothing.

Wait....the Republocrats in bed with big oil! Say it's not so!!! What's next? The sky is blue!? Oh when will the insanity end!?

Ockham · May 24, 2010

Glinda said:
He's directing things from his seat of command, getting all the appropriate agencies geared up and funded. What do you want him to do? Put on a pair of waders and start stringing out oil booms? :doh

I don't see the directing from a seat of command. So are they gearing up and if so, what's taking them so long? Or were they there from day 1? If so, why isn't more happening? I just want leadership and I don't see it from a website.

Glinda said:
And "making an appearance" during a disaster will help get the oil stopped more quickly how?

By bringing the full weight of the President to the issue. And I don't just want an appearance, I want full on weekly briefings to the country - what's happening, what was done, how Government is bring new resources and help directly. And I want Obama to lay it out to us. It's called "leadership" and owning the issue.

Glinda said:
What will bringing in a phalanx of massive oil-guzzling SUVs, an entourage of Secret Service personnel, and a mob of roving reporters do to make things easier for the clean-up crews and better for you, exactly? :roll:

Bringing all that brings pressure, attention and the most powerful elected official to bear on the issue. That's a lot actually.

Glinda said:
Time to extract your head from your IHATEOBAMA ass and be honest and real about what's NOT going to help.

I will when I see some leadership and not the hands-off approach. I've been nothing but honest.

Glinda said:
So you're saying that we shouldn't blame BP, even though, according to you, BP is at fault. :screwy

I'm saying I want Government to step up and lead until the bleeding is stopped. Then kick BP's butt.

You're hackery is preventing you from reading the English language apparently. Sorry I can't make my views more elementary and simple so you can understand them.

Glinda said:
And now you're attempting to lessen BP's responsibility by saying only that it should "help" fix the problem it's created, while making Obama your scapegoat because he hasn't yet fixed the problem BP created.

Lessening or exacerbating responsibility is done after the damage is stopped. The clear priority here is to stop the oil from flowing into the Gulf. If you can't understand that, you're obviously a lost cause. Then just sit back and continue the Obama defense kool-aide party.

Jetboogieman · May 24, 2010

American said:
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Where are the Senate and House hearings? This is worse than Katrina. Obama is asleep, and doing nothing.

You know, whether it's Bush or Obama, I don't understand why all of a sudden people want the Federal Government to do something? I still do not understand the hypocracy of this argument. Surely for the people of the gulf coasts, it's just bad luck and they need to sort themselves out, just like people who get sick... too bad you're sick and poor, no doctor or treatment for you! So why should the people of New Orleans or the Gulf Coast get any help from the Feds over this? I thought the states had to sort themselves out. According to some conservatives logic anyway... but hey, any chance to stick it to Obama eh

The Uncola · May 24, 2010

Jetboogieman said:
You know, whether it's Bush or Obama, I don't understand why all of a sudden people want the Federal Government to do something? I still do not understand the hypocracy of this argument. Surely for the people of the gulf coasts, it's just bad luck and they need to sort themselves out, just like people who get sick... too bad you're sick and poor, no doctor or treatment for you! So why should the people of New Orleans or the Gulf Coast get any help from the Feds over this? I thought the states had to sort themselves out. According to some conservatives logic anyway... but hey, any chance to stick it to Obama eh

Yep, all of a sudden the same loud mouthed teabagger types, squealing, pissing and moaning for their Holy Grail of "smaller government," are running their pieholes that "da gubmint ainta doooin" 'nuff."

Lame, just freakin' lame.

Aunt Spiker · May 24, 2010

The Uncola said:
Yep, all of a sudden the same loud mouthed teabagger types, squealing, pissing and moaning for their Holy Grail of "smaller government," are running their pieholes that "da gubmint ainta doooin" 'nuff."

Lame, just freakin' lame.

:roll: And tossing around the insults somehow sets a higher example of how to conduct yourself in the political circle? :roll:

I consider leaning on the government to be quite 'lame'

However - since the government decided to regulate, set the requirements and otherwise specify what can and cannot be done then they share some responsibility for seeing to things when it crumbles into a disaster.

Glinda · May 24, 2010

Ockham said:
I don't see the directing from a seat of command.

Yeah, and people in Hell want ice water. Your butt-hurt "BUT WHAT ABOUT MY PERSONAL NEEDS DURING THIS NATIONAL DISASTER?!?" whining has absolutely no bearing on anything.

Maybe you should ask the President if he wouldn't mind you hanging out in the Oval Office while he does his job, so you can "see" for yourself what he's doing at any given moment.

Ockham said:
So are they gearing up and if so, what's taking them so long?

This isn't Star Trek, pal. You expect the President to just snap his fingers and "Make it so, Number One?" Really? You do understand how enormous this mess is, right? How many thousands of people are needed to work on the problem? How much money, equipment, supplies, boats, aircraft, etc., are required? How much research and planning and theorizing and brainstorming is needed? The people who SHOULD ALREADY know what to do and be prepared to do it - BP - are blithering idiots and entirely at fault, but all you seem capable of doing is complaining about Obama. :roll:

Ockham said:
Or were they there from day 1?

Yes, our government was there from day one.

Ockham said:
If so, why isn't more happening?

Again, this isn't Star Trek. There are no less than eleven government agencies working full-tilt on the problem. Not even BP knows what to do, and this is their freaking bread and butter. So what more do you want the President to do, exactly? Give us specifics, not your vague and whiny "But he's not doing enough! He's not informing me personally about every action being taken! WAAAAHHHH!" GIVE US SPECIFICS.

Ockham said:
I just want leadership

Obama is leading. Nobody else is overseeing the government's actions in this disaster BUT Obama. If you think otherwise, you're seriously uninformed. BP has failed COMPLETELY and our President and our government are doing whatever is in their power to mitigate the situation. That you expect/demand more just illustrates your extreme inability to view the matter realistically or rationally. All you want to do is point fingers at Obama and complain.

Ockham said:
By bringing the full weight of the President to the issue.

So, you think that traipsing around and getting in the way of the people who are desperately working on the problem is preferable to staying the hell out of their way so they can do their jobs, because gumming up the works with a personal appearance would somehow make the oil go away faster? And we all know if Obama were to do such a thing, you'd complain that the only reason he was there was for a "photo op." :roll:

Ockham said:
And I don't just want an appearance, I want full on weekly briefings to the country. - what's happening, what was done, how Government is bring new resources and help directly. And I want Obama to lay it out to us. It's called "leadership" and owning the issue.

Your Weekly Address. Press Briefings. Statements and Releases. Presidential Actions.

I'd be curious to know how loudly you complained during the Bush administration that you didn't get personally delivered weekly updates on every aspect of the government's activities during, say, Katrina.

Ockham said:
Bringing all that brings pressure, attention and the most powerful elected official to bear on the issue.

Right. Because nobody is paying any attention as it is. Only if the President sets foot on the shores of the Gulf will the true enormity of this disaster begin to resonate with the public.

Ockham said:
I will when I see some leadership and not the hands-off approach. I've been nothing but honest.

What crap. You don't like Obama. WE GET IT. Go put some salve on your poor hurting butt. :roll

Ockham said:
I'm saying I want Government to step up and lead until the bleeding is stopped.

What more would you have the government do? I've asked several times and all you can come up with is ignorant complaints about "leadership" and "weekly reports." Give us specific actions you want the government to take that (a) have some basis in reality and (b) aren't being done already. Whining that "they should do more" and "stop the flow of oil" ain't cutting it.

Ockham said:
The clear priority here is to stop the oil from flowing into the Gulf. If you can't understand that, you're obviously a lost cause.

What you seem incapable of understanding is that BP is the supposed "expert" on underwater oil drilling, and THEY'RE completely clueless about how to "stop the oil from flowing into the Gulf." That you not only expect the President to have all the answers, but to also fix everything with a snap of his fingers, AND keep you personally informed about his every action, indicates serious delusion on your part.

Finally, why don't tell us all how much you "want the government out of our business" now? :doh

Glinda · May 24, 2010

Aunt Spiker said:
However - since the government decided to regulate, set the requirements and otherwise specify what can and cannot be done

I suggest you contact Msrs. Cheney and Bush. Those two oil company shills were the ones who set the "regulations" for underwater oil drilling and "oversaw" the *cough* MMS.

Thanks to the legacy of the Bush-Cheney regime, acoustic switches --$500,000 critical defense measure capable of shutting down operations remote-control style-- were deemed unnecessary by the unit responsible for overseeing offshore drilling: the U.S. Interior Department's Minerals Management Service (MMS).

According to investigations by the Interior Department's former Inspector General Earl Devaney, the MMS, found to have accepted "gifts" from energy companies, was an agency marked by a "culture of ethical failure." Deepwater Horizon, the drilling rig that exploded, catalyzing the undersea spill, was exempted from environmental reviews by the MMS just days before the crisis. --Forbes

Aunt Spiker said:
they share some responsibility for seeing to things when it crumbles into a disaster.

The only thing the current administration can be faulted for is not stepping in and correcting the good-ol-boy back scratching of the oil-centric Bush administration quickly enough.

Aunt Spiker · May 24, 2010

Glinda said:
I suggest you contact Msrs. Cheney and Bush. Those two oil company shills were the ones who set the "regulations" for underwater oil drilling and "oversaw" the *cough* MMS.

You mean congress.

Because the President can't do **** without congressional approval - except for pick a fight :shrug:

The only thing the current administration can be faulted for is not stepping in and correcting the good-ol-boy back scratching of the oil-centric Bush administration quickly enough.

I don't believe the government can *do* anything other than roll some heads. they certain don't have the ability to swoop in and fix it.

baltbelieve · May 24, 2010

Gipper said:
You have to admire the irony of a former governor of ALASKA trashing someone for being "in bed with big oil".

Palin operates on the theory that, if the lie is big enough, people will assume it must be true because no one could be that brazen. Amazing.

Glinda · May 24, 2010

Aunt Spiker said:
You mean congress. Because the President can't do **** without congressional approval - except for pick a fight :shrug:

No. I don't. Cheney's Energy Task Force operated in total secrecy and Congress had no vote in the decisions made by that group. Further, Congress is not responsible for overseeing oil drilling safety requirements. The Minerals Management Service (an insanely corrupt group) is "responsible for the mineral leasing of submerged OCS lands and for the supervision of offshore operations after lease issuance."

Aunt Spiker said:
I don't believe the government can *do* anything other than roll some heads. they certain don't have the ability to swoop in and fix it.

The "oil drilling safety" cat was let out of the bag under Bush's watch, but I give the current administration credit for doing what they can now that the **** has hit the fan.

The Uncola · May 24, 2010

Aunt Spiker said:
And tossing around the insults somehow sets a higher example of how to conduct yourself in the political circle?

Quite frankly I could give a **** less if I "offend" people defending those that are Hellbent on destroying our Eco-systems to feed their greed. They offend me by still breathing.

Ockham · May 24, 2010

Jetboogieman said:
You know, whether it's Bush or Obama, I don't understand why all of a sudden people want the Federal Government to do something?

90% of the time you'd be correct - this is a state issue. But since this is affecting multiple states and the one time the Federal Government should actually step in is protecting our people, our ecosystem and our livelyhoods from natural disasters - you're right. I want the Fed to step in. Most time's I'm with ya --- stay the hell out. Disasters of this proportion is the exception.

Glinda · May 24, 2010

Ockham said:
I want the Fed to step in.

Your wish has already been granted, starting on April 20, 2010, when the U.S. Coast Guard initiated emergency rescue operations for those who were on the rig when it blew.

Coast Guard search-and-rescue specialist Kevin Robb said he was home after working a 12-hour shift when he got a call to return to handle a rig fire. The incident escalated into a massive rescue effort, and Robb said the Coast Guard called in every available helicopter to begin a nighttime search of the gulf. Pilots were flying with night-vision goggles, and other aircraft were fitted with radar equipment that detected heat to aid in finding anyone in the water. The task was enormous, he said. --Riveting testimony on oil rig rescue effort

The federal government's involvement in mitigating the disaster has increased exponentially since that time.

Aunt Spiker · May 24, 2010

The Uncola said:
Quite frankly I could give a **** less if I "offend" people defending those that are Hellbent on destroying our Eco-systems to feed their greed. They offend me by still breathing.

Well my dear - the more you rant the less they'll give a damn about your view and your concern for the environment.

So - obviously it's not going to catch you any flies.

Crunch · May 24, 2010

pro-bipartisan said:
What do people expect Obama to do?

We expect leadership from our Presidents, not a constant 6 years of campaign speeches. Not a constant barrage of blaming the past President. Not constant attacks against private citizens or companies.

What do we get?….. A community organizer.

The Uncola · May 24, 2010

Aunt Spiker said:
Well my dear - the more you rant the less they'll give a damn about your view and your concern for the environment.

So - obviously it's not going to catch you any flies.

I'm not interested in flies.

Crunch · May 24, 2010

The Uncola said:
So, exactly what would YOU do to stop the environmental disaster CAUSED BY BIG OIL'S GREED? Specifically, WHAT EXACTLY IS IT YOU OR THE CARIBOU BIMBO PROPOSE TO DO TO STOP THE OIL GUSHING FROM BP's SCREWUP?

You got nothin'.

Correct me if I'm wrong...... Barry won the election, right?

Crunch · May 24, 2010

The Uncola said:
BS rightie talking garbage.

Bull **** leftie talking garbage..... now wasn't that productive.

The Uncola · May 24, 2010

Crunch said:
Correct me if I'm wrong...... Barry won the election, right?

:shock:

That's your answer?

Really?

Do I need to explain just how lame that is?

You lived up to my every expectation of a rightie. Congrats.

Crunch · May 24, 2010

Glinda said:
Sheesh. :roll: If you really want to know what the administration is doing, all you have to do is look.

Or maybe you were expecting an engraved letter from the President, hand delivered on a silver platter, explaining it all to you in monosyllabic terms? :doh

I didn't see the SWAT teams.

Ockham · May 24, 2010

Glinda said:
Yeah, and people in Hell want ice water. Your butt-hurt "BUT WHAT ABOUT MY PERSONAL NEEDS DURING THIS NATIONAL DISASTER?!?" whining has absolutely no bearing on anything.

You WANT me to be butt hurt but I'm not. I just would like some answers from the White House.

Glinda said:
Maybe you should ask the President if he wouldn't mind you hanging out in the Oval Office while he does his job, so you can "see" for yourself what he's doing at any given moment.

I'm sure I'd be turned down but your little attempt at smarmy repartee is boring. I'm asking for leadership. He's got none so far and you have no explanation which explains the nonsense your spewing.

Glinda said:
This isn't Star Trek, pal. You expect the President to just snap his fingers and "Make it so, Number One?" Really? You do understand how enormous this mess is, right?

According to the White House they've been on the job since day one. If Obama's Spock, he's not handlilng this with much logic.

Glinda said:
How many thousands of people are needed to work on the problem? How much money, equipment, supplies, boats, aircraft, etc., are required? How much research and planning and theorizing and brainstorming is needed? The people who SHOULD ALREADY know what to do and be prepared to do it - BP - are blithering idiots and entirely at fault, but all you seem capable of doing is complaining about Obama.

You tell me. Isn't that posted on the White House website? How much money, equipment etc.? No answer?

This is why we need leadership from Obama.

Glinda said:
Yes, our government was there from day one.

:lamo

I tried to reply but just couldn't without laughing. Sorry.

Glinda said:
Again, this isn't Star Trek. There are no less than eleven government agencies working full-tilt on the problem. Not even BP knows what to do, and this is their freaking bread and butter. So what more do you want the President to do, exactly? Give us specifics, not your vague and whiny "But he's not doing enough! He's not informing me personally about every action being taken! WAAAAHHHH!" GIVE US SPECIFICS.

Specifically: Leadership. You apparently don't know what that means. I'll explain: Leadership is the process where a person empowers, motivates and takes on the responsibility to get a task or tasks completed through others. There are 11 agencies but no leader to combine their efforts to get things done. Specifically.

Glinda said:
Obama is leading. Nobody else is overseeing the government's actions in this disaster BUT Obama. If you think otherwise, you're seriously uninformed.

You are seriously misled. Obama is leading nothing.

Glinda said:
So, you think that traipsing around and getting in the way of the people who are desperately working on the problem is preferable to staying the hell out of their way so they can do their jobs, because gumming up the works with a personal appearance would somehow make the oil go away faster? And we all know if Obama were to do such a thing, you'd complain that the only reason he was there was for a "photo op."

Other than creating strawmen, you really have a talent for spin.

Glinda said:
I'd be curious to know how loudly you complained during the Bush administration that you didn't get personally delivered weekly updates on every aspect of the government's activities during, say, Katrina.

I was equally critical of the lack of action, the lack of leadership and the confiscation of property. You'll be happy to know Nagin and Governor Blanco as well as the locality of NO were also part off the problem.

Glinda said:
What crap. You don't like Obama. WE GET IT. Go put some salve on your poor hurting butt.

There's nothing for me to be hurt about. Look you idoloize Obama and have your head up his ass so far you can taste his lunch. WE GET IT. He can do no wrong and he's the messiah according to you. I don't hate the man, I just want him to lead. He's not. Don't be so weak. If you can't debate, just say so.:mrgreen:

Glinda said:
What more would you have the government do? I've asked several times and all you can come up with is ignorant complaints about "leadership" and "weekly reports."

That's what I want. Given there's 11 agencies working around the clock since day 1... you'd think there'd be a lot of things to review given the scope of the disaster. I don't even NEED other specifics... I'd be happy with what I requested but even that simple task cannot be performed.

Glinda said:
What you seem incapable of understanding is that BP is the supposed "expert" on underwater oil drilling, and THEY'RE completely clueless about how to "stop the oil from flowing into the Gulf." That you not only expect the President to have all the answers, but to also fix everything with a snap of his fingers, AND keep you personally informed about his every action, indicates serious delusion on your part.

Irrelevant until the Oil is stopped.

Glinda said:
Finally, why don't tell us all how much you "want the government out of our business" now? :doh

I want Goverrnment out of my business 90% of the time. From a State's perspective, this isn't my business as it's not affecting me one iota. But it's a national tragedy so I weigh in. So yes, this is the exception where the Fed should step in and bring their weight and influence. They're just not. For 11 agencies working since day 1 - they're suck jerking each other off a lot and you seem to like it.

I just don't and think they can do better.

Now don't cry. It's okay when others don't agree. Buck up. You'll do better next time.

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