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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I thought it was a states issue?
    Anything certain conservatives don't agree with is a states issue

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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Only it wasn't Obama who was stationed at the post - it was BP.
    lol, um no it is the Federal Government that owns the land upon which BP drills, try again. BP only leases drilling rights.

    For too long Congress has allowed the oil companies to regulate themselves.
    If you want true self regulation than force BP into full liability by allowing them to homestead the land they are drilling on rather than allowing them to diminish their own liability by eliminating the built-in incentives for self regulations that exist within a free market. This was the clear result of the state capitalist system in which the Minerals Management Service of the Department of the Interior has a symbiotic relationship with big oil as it gets its funding from royalties from continental shelf oil and gas production and this corporatist system which allowed for the $75 million cap on BP liability.
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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    Curious that Republican Palin is accusing Obama of laxation and deregulation of oil companies. When one of the biggest contributors to the Republican caukse are the oil companies and when the Republican motto is: Drill, baby, drill. I guess it changed to : Blame, baby, blame
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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    Curious that Republican Palin is accusing Obama of laxation and deregulation of oil companies. When one of the biggest contributors to the Republican caukse are the oil companies and when the Republican motto is: Drill, baby, drill. I guess it changed to : Blame, baby, blame
    Both parties are in bed with big oil, that is how the corporatist system operates. Do you realize that the regulatory firm responsible for policing the off shore oil companies has a symbiotic relationship with those companies in that they gain their entire budget of $13 billion from the royalties payed by those oil companies for the privilege to lease the off shore land claimed by the Feds? And in return the oil companies have a $75 million liability cap. The land should be homesteaded by the oil companies drilling there and they should assume any and all liability for accidents, that will create the necessary incentives to self regulate.

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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil
    How long did Todd Palin work for BP?

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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    How long did Todd Palin work for BP?

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    It is kind of funny that indeed that part of the Palin family income came from BP oil company. Todd did quit his job with BP back in Sept 09.

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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    Quote Originally Posted by The Uncola View Post
    I absolutely, 110% agree. This is the ecological disaster the very same people who are now defending the environmental criminals of Big Oil, swore would NEVER happen.

    They are lying scum and should be locked up and NEVER released.
    One company's disaster shouldn't dictate where we should drill. I am not an oil well expert but is seems to me that the problem was not having secondary shut off systems to deal with such an event. Like any disaster we should learn from it and make drilling oil much safer in the future. In my opinion this should be a sign for us to stop being half-assed about drilling for oil. If we are going to do it let's go all out and make is safe, efficient and effective. Enforce regulations and safety requirements.

    This is really embarassing for the oil industry that so soon after the United States decided to relax some drilling restrictions these assholes screwed up so badly. It really pisses me off and BP should have to pay dearly for their mistake. As for Obama's fault in this matter, it is probably more a PR disaster then anything else. I don't know what else the government can actually do to stop the leak but they sure could be doing more to mobilize cleanup and containment. We shouldn't be waiting for BP on that count.

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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    What you say is absolutely true. It was and is risky and it's my belief BP or Halliburton or whomever was working that rig cut corners. Someone LET them cut corners and then this happened. So I think the blame will be enough to go around and will hit almost everyone. That said, this won't be the last spill as I think we'll be oil bound for another 30-40 years before we can get off the stuff in a big enough way to make a dent. I think drilling will continue and this lesson will change behavior both for Government and for corporations who drill after this mess.

    Unfortunately no - no better. Obama was / is in bed no more or less than prior or current politicians. This has been an issue it's just that this particular accident happened on Obama's watch.

    It should be but right now the message is being controlled. Government failed at certain levels - perhaps in some we yet do not know. BP certainly is culpable, and inspectors, and probably dozens more. But now is not the time for blame - now is the time for collaborative work, leadership and stopping the flow asap. Then we can sort it all out and take the few pounds of flesh as needed.

    I'm pissed at the very short term errors - where my view is, BP is in charge, BP is trying all sorts of things and Government is playing politics by signing executive orders, assigning tasks and resources with no clear cut goals or objectives. THAT is a mistake and should be rectified. A mistake that we shoudl not be adding to the mountain of mistakes already made.
    I don't really disagree with anything you're saying here - except this:

    The Obama administration can be blamed to a degree - however, all of these drilling permits were there long before they took office. What was not there for them were the tools to be prepared for a spill like this.

    Why were we letting them drill when we knew we didn't have the tools to stop something like this?

    I can't simply place the blame on Obama for that. I can say this: there seems to be a lack of ideas.

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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post

    Why were we letting them drill when we knew we didn't have the tools to stop something like this?
    Because the Federal Government gets an annual $13 billion in offshore oil royalties paid by the oil firms to the Minerals Management Service of the Department of the Interior for the privilege of leasing the offshore land claimed by the Feds, and in return for that and their millions in campaign contributions the oil firms get a $75 million cap on liability. There are no built in incentives to self regulation within the state capitalist/corporatist system. If the oil companies were allowed to homestead the land rather than leasing it from the Feds and thus endowed with full liability for damages, things like this wouldn't happen.

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    Re: Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Because the Federal Government gets an annual $13 billion in offshore oil royalties paid by the oil firms to the Minerals Management Service of the Department of the Interior for the privilege of leasing the offshore land claimed by the Feds, and in return for that and their millions in campaign contributions the oil firms get a $75 million cap on liability. There are no built in incentives to self regulation within the state capitalist/corporatist system. If the oil companies were allowed to homestead the land rather than leasing it from the Feds and thus endowed with full liability for damages, things like this wouldn't happen.
    Oh, I'm with you...I'm just trying to coax others into realizing that Republicans accusing Democrats of being in bed with big oil is utterly silly, since it's all just a big three-way between the two parties and big oil.

    Voting for the other party isn't suddenly going to end this relationship - especially if you vote for Little Miss Drill Baby Drill.

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