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    Re: GLOBAL: Women UN peacekeepers - more needed*

    Quote Originally Posted by Mell View Post
    Obviously there are other requirements besides physical strength. Otherwise,the UN would not be asking for more female peace keepers.

    I can see what the UN mean by the presence of female soldiers being comforting to women who have been victims of sexual violence. More male only soldiers appearing on the scene likely make them nervous, because they would be unsure if these are good or bad. They likely have problems with trusting any male strangers, after the experiences some of them went through.

    Considering all the accusations of rape and torture that have been levied against UN "peacekeepers", you might have a point there... in a left-handed and bass-ackward sort of way.

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    Re: GLOBAL: Women UN peacekeepers - more needed*

    I think the UN needs plain more peacekeepers, last time I checked. Hardly fitting that they're getting all gender specific.

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    Re: GLOBAL: Women UN peacekeepers - more needed*

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I have to wonder what military experience those who are asking for more females have.
    I dont know what experience they are asking for, but the UN state some important reasons in my opinion for the presence of female peacekeepers in certain troubled countries.

    As for peace keeping roles women already fulfill, they seem to be doing most of the work where clearing old landmines in certain countries is involved. Apparently, they are more careful, reliable and thorough than men are with it.

    But, I think before all this starts, it is very important that the UN recognise whatever role women take on as peacekeepers, as important as what men do, and it be reflected in their wages Otherwise, we are back at the same old gender bullsh*t again, which is far from peaceful, and far from supportive of women doing what women do best, rather than being pressured to do what men do better.

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    Re: GLOBAL: Women UN peacekeepers - more needed*

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    Hardly fitting that they're getting all gender specific.
    This demonstrates one of the main problems with not having enough female peace keepers. Men tend to be insensitive or even blind to the needs and problems of women. Apparently, the female peace keepers tend to notice a lot about local women, that male peace keepers dont notice. Also, women peace keepers have an easier time with gaining trust and access to the female sections of certain conservative and isolated communities.

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    Re: GLOBAL: Women UN peacekeepers - more needed*

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Good post, and thanks for the stats.

    I wanted to note that I'm not saying there isn't a place for women in the military, or even in combat roles. The differences in the stats WI posted were modest differences; women at the highest peak of physical conditioning can get very close to performance levels of men at the highest peak of physical conditioning, in almost everything except upper body strength.


    I have no objection to women in the military, ....
    I think you are getting too caught up on what the armies traditionally do, without paying any attention to the reasons the UN is asking for female peace keepers.

    And, it isnt about your personal objections.... Look beyond this boring battle of the sexes thing... All this, women cant do things as well as we can is getting stale. The real issue is that what women do well needs to be identified, recognised and given value in its own right.

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    Re: GLOBAL: Women UN peacekeepers - more needed*

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    In fact you'd be hard pressed to have a lower opinion of the UN as a whole than I do.
    I think, it is ridiculous to judge the UN as a whole, based on what the worst members(who are in the vast minority) do . As well as that, I think the UN investigates all reports of crimes done by its members.

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    Re: GLOBAL: Women UN peacekeepers - more needed*

    Quote Originally Posted by Mell View Post
    I think, it is ridiculous to judge the UN as a whole, based on what the worst members(who are in the vast minority) do . As well as that, I think the UN investigates all reports of crimes done by its members.
    I base my inexpressable loathing for the UN on nearly four decades of observing their corruption, incompetence, and inability to cope with the fact that a third of their membership come from nations whose governments are scum.

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    Re: GLOBAL: Women UN peacekeepers - more needed*

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I base my inexpressable loathing for the UN on nearly four decades of observing their corruption, incompetence, and inability to cope with the fact that a third of their membership come from nations whose governments are scum.
    As Obama puts it, they are not perfect, but they are absolutely necessary...

    But the quote above, does not address the reasons stated in the news blog for having more female peacekeepers... Or is your point, that the whole UN is a heap of rubbish, so it does not matter who they hire for peacekeeping?

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    Re: GLOBAL: Women UN peacekeepers - more needed*

    Quote Originally Posted by Mell View Post
    I dont know what experience they are asking for, but the UN state some important reasons in my opinion for the presence of female peacekeepers in certain troubled countries.

    As for peace keeping roles women already fulfill, they seem to be doing most of the work where clearing old landmines in certain countries is involved. Apparently, they are more careful, reliable and thorough than men are with it.

    But, I think before all this starts, it is very important that the UN recognise whatever role women take on as peacekeepers, as important as what men do, and it be reflected in their wages Otherwise, we are back at the same old gender bullsh*t again, which is far from peaceful, and far from supportive of women doing what women do best, rather than being pressured to do what men do better.
    Actually I was wondering if the people who are asking for more female UN peace keepers have any actual military experience themselves. Who are these people making these requests? Are they Generals, senior enlisted or are they some suits with little or no military experience trying to push some pc gender equality agenda nonsense?
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    Re: GLOBAL: Women UN peacekeepers - more needed*

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Actually I was wondering if the people who are asking for more female UN peace keepers have any actual military experience themselves. Who are these people making these requests? Are they Generals, senior enlisted or are they some suits with little or no military experience trying to push some pc gender equality agenda nonsense?
    Read the news blog in the opening post. It explains it. Then maybe it can be discussed properly, rather than just a thread full of the barage by the usual hoard who reply on threads concerning womens issues, to push some pc gender inequality agenda nonsense.

    It is very discouraging, if all threads on womens issues are going to be at this level. Surely, decades of this type of discussion between the genders would be enough to show what a stalemate it is.

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