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    Re: NKorea warns of war if punished for ship sinking

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It is still a very risky thing. All I am saying is that war is probably the most important decision any country can make. America and South Korea should really weigh all the options, form a strategy, and get better intel before jumping into a war. We need to learn from the mistakes we have made in history, specifically the ones made within the last presidential administration.
    Oh you can do better than this. Let's go back to the Korean War. It was civilians that divided it in half leading to today's inevitability. Vietnam? Civilains looked for alternate ways to call it a war and concerned themseleves more with getting out of it than winning it. Afghanistan and Iraq? More civilians dictating how the military is to do the job they know how to do.

    By all means, let's see how civilains can manage to string out an unfinished Korean war even longer.

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    Re: NKorea warns of war if punished for ship sinking

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    Oh you can do better than this. Let's go back to the Korean War. It was civilians that divided it in half leading to today's inevitability. Vietnam? Civilains looked for alternate ways to call it a war and concerned themseleves more with getting out of it than winning it. Afghanistan and Iraq? More civilians dictating how the military is to do the job they know how to do.

    By all means, let's see how civilains can manage to string out an unfinished Korean war even longer.
    Sounds like you advocate a military state. Civilians are screwing up everything.
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    Re: NKorea warns of war if punished for ship sinking

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Oh you can do better than this. Let's go back to the Korean War. It was civilians that divided it in half leading to today's inevitability. Vietnam? Civilains looked for alternate ways to call it a war and concerned themseleves more with getting out of it than winning it. Afghanistan and Iraq? More civilians dictating how the military is to do the job they know how to do.

    By all means, let's see how civilains can manage to string out an unfinished Korean war even longer.
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    Re: NKorea warns of war if punished for ship sinking

    Sometimes it is. Our wars after WWII have been garbage. Attitudes who have a will to "win" will always defeat an attitude that tries to get out of it. Let the military do their job without civilain interference and our wars would look different.

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    Re: NKorea warns of war if punished for ship sinking

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Oh you can do better than this. Let's go back to the Korean War. It was civilians that divided it in half leading to today's inevitability. Vietnam? Civilains looked for alternate ways to call it a war and concerned themseleves more with getting out of it than winning it. Afghanistan and Iraq? More civilians dictating how the military is to do the job they know how to do.

    By all means, let's see how civilains can manage to string out an unfinished Korean war even longer.
    Come on man, it is pretty widely believed that an attempt to really "finish off North Korea" at that time would have resulted in a war with China. Coming on the heels of WWII, that is not something we really needed to do.

    It was the military's idea to use nuclear weapons against China, which would have been an even worse idea. In this case, it is good that the civilians put a stop to that.

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    Re: NKorea warns of war if punished for ship sinking

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Sometimes it is. Our wars after WWII have been garbage. Attitudes who have a will to "win" will always defeat an attitude that tries to get out of it. Let the military do their job without civilain interference and our wars would look different.
    Desert storm was Garbage? We totally anialated the Iraqi military, ejected them from Kuwait and only lost a couple hundred men. Bush Sr showed us how to fight a war.
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    Re: NKorea warns of war if punished for ship sinking

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Sounds like you advocate a military state. Civilians are screwing up everything.
    I don't see where he advocated that. There is a difference in telling the military where to fight battles and what the end goal is, and allowing them to use their expertise to achieve it, and creating a "military state."

    In the end, its not civilian leadership that bleeds when bad judgment is used in planning. It is the people on the ground who do. It took a General(Petraus), not a civilian to find a way to clean up Iraq.
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    Re: NKorea warns of war if punished for ship sinking

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    I agree, I think MAD is a worthless theory. That said however, I do not think that NK has really shown itself to be irrational. In what way do you think they have done this?



    Well, the North Korea navy is so pitiful, I have doubts that a ship would be a viable option. Maybe a suicide mission with a plane, but why would they need to do that if they could just overrun SK in a conventional manner? Doing that would most likely expose them to less of a retaliation than if they went nuclear immediately in such a manner.



    I don't see any benefit NK would gain from using a weapon in this scenario at all.
    Again, the nuke could be used for potential black mail and coercion for a number of situations.

    It is thought that if war on the peninsula were to break out that the North would be able to push deep in to the South before the front was stabilized and the tide turned. The length of time this would take is dependent on a lot of thing, most importantly mobilization times for the Marines out of Okinawa, carrier battle groups being deployed or reconfigured, target identification and coordination of B-2s out of Guam and a massive deployment of Army personnel, just to name a few.

    This article is a little outdated but none the less highlights some important aspects to consider when analyzing the North's capabilities and likely strategy.

    North Korean Defector's Testimony <--- Link. It doesn't appear in standard URL format and could easily be overlooked, wierd.
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    Re: NKorea warns of war if punished for ship sinking

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Desert storm was Garbage? We totally anialated the Iraqi military, ejected them from Kuwait and only lost a couple hundred men. Bush Sr showed us how to fight a war.
    Bush Sr. was also a WWII vet. We'll not have people of that generation leading us anymore. But Desert Storm was an incomplete war, for all its initial success. Why the sanctions and no-fly zones for a decade+ if all was solved by Bush Sr.?
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    Re: NKorea warns of war if punished for ship sinking

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    I agree, I think MAD is a worthless theory. That said however, I do not think that NK has really shown itself to be irrational. In what way do you think they have done this?
    This comment is just one of many that Kim-Jong-il has made to prove his irrationality.

    Kim Jong-il once went so far as to declare 'the world does not deserve to exist without the DPRK', and should North Korea implode, "we will take the rest of the world with us".
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