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    Re: NKorea warns of war if punished for ship sinking

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    I accept they have a nuclear warhead... I am asking with what delivery system you think it would be delivered with? Possession of a nuclear warhead does not mean it is combat use ready. North Korea has no real delviery system for a warhead.

    Not to mention, their test yields were so low, there is about a .1% chance it would "kill millions of people."
    They don't need to fire a nuke at Seoul. Their missiles would lay waste to large parts of the city... not to mention that their army could overrun the city within a day or two.
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    Re: NKorea warns of war if punished for ship sinking

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    They don't need to fire a nuke at Seoul. Their missiles would lay waste to large parts of the city... not to mention that their army could overrun the city within a day or two.
    Don't disagree persay, but a lot of the debate seems to be "since they have a nuke, we won't do anything." My point is just that the fact they have a nuke does not really matter.

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    Re: NKorea warns of war if punished for ship sinking

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    Don't disagree persay, but a lot of the debate seems to be "since they have a nuke, we won't do anything." My point is just that the fact they have a nuke does not really matter.
    How doesn't it matter? Intelligence estimates put the number of nukes possessed by NK at between 5-8. NKs large and highly trained cadre of Special Forces undoubtedly have orders to smuggle such weapons in to the South in the event of war, if for no other purpose than to blackmail them.

    The first thing military strategist consider when planning any type of action is the North's nuclear response. It simply can not be overlooked. Even the North using nukes defensively in a war would be devastating.
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    Re: NKorea warns of war if punished for ship sinking

    Quote Originally Posted by Polynikes View Post
    How doesn't it matter? Intelligence estimates put the number of nukes possessed by NK at between 5-8. NKs large and highly trained cadre of Special Forces undoubtedly have orders to smuggle such weapons in to the South in the event of war, if for no other purpose than to blackmail them.

    The first thing military strategist consider when planning any type of action is the North's nuclear response. It simply can not be overlooked. Even the North using nukes defensively in a war would be devastating.
    Let me understand this... NK is unable to develop the technology to put a warhead on a missile, but you propose they will be able to miniturize a weapon even more, smuggle it across the border (which is very well guarded) and then detonate it that way?

    NK has no real delivery system for their nuclear warheads. They are an overblown threat at the moment in my opinion.

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    Re: NKorea warns of war if punished for ship sinking

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    Let me understand this... NK is unable to develop the technology to put a warhead on a missile, but you propose they will be able to miniturize a weapon even more, smuggle it across the border (which is very well guarded) and then detonate it that way?

    NK has no real delivery system for their nuclear warheads. They are an overblown threat at the moment in my opinion.
    They wouldn't have to miniaturize it, and do you understand what the border will become in the event of total war? Basically meaningless. The American forces there are widely acknowledged to be little more than a speed bump in the event of the North pushing towards Seoul.
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    Re: NKorea warns of war if punished for ship sinking

    Quote Originally Posted by Polynikes View Post
    They wouldn't have to miniaturize it, and do you understand what the border will become in the event of total war? Basically meaningless. The American forces there are widely acknowledged to be little more than a speed bump in the event of the North pushing towards Seoul.
    They would to put it on a missile etc...

    Additionally, I do not see NK doing something like that, since in every agreement that was reached, they seem to be under the impression that the American military has nuclear weapons in SK currently.

    Putting all of that aside, why would they even need a nuclear weapon, if there is nothing standing in their path? It would serve no purspose for them to run down to Seoul, over run it, and then detonate a nuclear weapon in it.

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    Re: NKorea warns of war if punished for ship sinking

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    They would to put it on a missile etc...

    Additionally, I do not see NK doing something like that, since in every agreement that was reached, they seem to be under the impression that the American military has nuclear weapons in SK currently.

    Putting all of that aside, why would they even need a nuclear weapon, if there is nothing standing in their path? It would serve no purspose for them to run down to Seoul, over run it, and then detonate a nuclear weapon in it.
    Again, the North has put on the impression that they are not rational. The threat of M.A.D or any similar concept relies on one of the players being rational.

    I wasn't talking about them putting a warhead on the missile. Perhaps putting it in a ship or a semi truck, but most likely a cargo plane if they were planning a detonation, which would most likely be a suicide mission.

    They wouldn't use weapons offensively on the border, I wouldn't think, because then their troops would be unable to move through the fallout zone.
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    Re: NKorea warns of war if punished for ship sinking

    Quote Originally Posted by Polynikes View Post
    Again, the North has put on the impression that they are not rational. The threat of M.A.D or any similar concept relies on one of the players being rational.
    I agree, I think MAD is a worthless theory. That said however, I do not think that NK has really shown itself to be irrational. In what way do you think they have done this?

    I wasn't talking about them putting a warhead on the missile. Perhaps putting it in a ship or a semi truck, but most likely a cargo plane if they were planning a detonation, which would most likely be a suicide mission.
    Well, the North Korea navy is so pitiful, I have doubts that a ship would be a viable option. Maybe a suicide mission with a plane, but why would they need to do that if they could just overrun SK in a conventional manner? Doing that would most likely expose them to less of a retaliation than if they went nuclear immediately in such a manner.

    They wouldn't use weapons offensively on the border, I wouldn't think, because then their troops would be unable to move through the fallout zone.
    I don't see any benefit NK would gain from using a weapon in this scenario at all.

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    Re: NKorea warns of war if punished for ship sinking

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    We probably need to pause at least long enough to see how this plays out in the next few days. Hillary has taken a public stand "demanding international action" (whatever the hell that means) and NK appears to be calling her bluff.

    Should be an interesting standoff.....
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    Re: NKorea warns of war if punished for ship sinking

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    Mouthpieces and their microphones. Causing more damage than anytihng else year after year and decade after decade. Leave it to politicians and civilians to find "alternate" ways to dealing with the military inevitable.
    Yeah, war is always the best option.
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