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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom View Post
    I agree. Let's teach them about ALL the founding fathers though, including Thomas Jefferson.
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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Vic Mango View Post
    That does sound cool. Please dont teach it in a classroom as historical fact.
    Who has done that?

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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    Wrong.

    Jefferson's letter, as he states below, made the statement that any alliance between church and state was illegal, under the authority of the Constitution. This went way beyond the 'national religion' theory in which you believe.
    Just so we get this straight...
    Do you or do you not hold the position that "original intent" - that is, the arguments and positions held by those that wrote the Constitution as to what the clauses used in the Constituton are supposed to mean - should be the guiding principle in the judicial interpreation of the Constitution?

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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    18th century intellectuals tended toward deism because it was the worldview they considered most consistent with the physics of Isaac Newton, but they were generally proud of their Christian heritage for the same reasons contemporary secular Jews are proud of their heritage. Although, I question the actual degree of Christianity that was being practiced within that heritage. In addition, not all the Founding Fathers were deists, though the ringleaders usually were.

    Just so we get this straight...
    Do you or do you not hold the position that "original intent" - that is, the arguments and positions held by those that wrote the Constitution as to what the clauses used in the Constituton are supposed to mean - should be the guiding principle in the judicial interpreation of the Constitution?
    There is no original intent, because the Founding Fathers did not agree on most things. Indeed, after the Federalists were crushed everywhere else, it was Jefferson's original intent that the U.S. Constitution be modified to erase the judicial branch and make judges subjects of the chief executive.
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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Not even close. Just glad the writing of history by the liberals is kept at bay.

    I did find it amusing you as typical of many liberals want to emphasize separation of church and state even though it is no where in the Constitution.

    That is the kind of revisionist history conservatives will fight liberals on every time.
    The only ones revising history are the 5 members of the TX Board of Education so it will fit their political leanings.

    The best examples are the UN and Thomas Jefferson. If you teach that the UN is a threat to US sovereignty, then you're automatically injecting your opinion. What you should be doing is teaching about the UN and its function, you could ASK students if THEY think it's a threat to US sovereignty as part of a paper. If you wanted to talk about Jefferson, you would have students read his work and then ask them to write about Jefferson and his take on the Separation of Church and State. Ignoring his writings is lying by omission.

    That's called teaching critical thinking.

    What the TX Board of Education has done has turned their political opinion into FACT.

    If you were truly for proper education you wouldn't fight liberal bias by inserting conservative bias in its place. You and the TX BoE simply want your views to become facts to young people.

    This is a bigger bastardization to education than anything I sat through (and I grew up in a VERY conservative school district; where slavery was pretty much ignored and WW2 was taught with patriotic songs).

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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Wrong again. Jefferson never EVER said that religion as a general practice should be universally excluded from all government. He was very very specific in pointing out that an establishment of religion endorsed by the state was the reason for the 1st amendment.

    You are making interpretations for wording that does not exist.

    If religion was to be completely excluded from all government you would never have religion in any text or wording in the founding papers and we all know that is false.
    Really

    In his 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptists, Thomas Jefferson made clear that the purpose of the First Amendment was to establish a "wall of separation" between Church and State in order to protect individuals' right of conscience.

    Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.
    Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists (June 1998) - Library of Congress Information Bulletin

    Well, that certainly seems pretty clear where Jefferson stood on this issue, doncha think?

    In addition, the U.S. constitution says:
    Article VI: Clause 3: The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
    The Constitution says, re: taking the Oath of Office:
    Article II Section I: Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
    Hmm... no mention of any... "God", only the Constitution.

    Also, the Bill Of Rights was quickly amended to the Constitution in order to protect the rights of citizens because the original Constitution primarily just defined the powers of government. The third Article of the Bill of Rights (which became the first amendment) states:
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
    There are four references to a "deity" found in the Declaration of Independence: "Nature's God," "Creator," "Supreme Judge," and "Divine Providence." That's it.

    There was a reference to Christianity in Thomas Jefferson's first draft of the Declaration of Independence, which was not positive at all. Jefferson's rough draft said:

    he has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating it's most sacred rights of life & liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither. this piratical warfare, the opprobrium [disgrace] of infidel powers, is the warfare of the Christian king of Great Britain. determined to keep open a market where Men should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce: and that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, & murdering the people upon whom he also obtruded them; thus paying off former crimes committed against the liberties of one people, with crimes which he urges them to commit against the lives of another.
    So, claims that references to a deity in the Declaration of Independence prove that America was founded on Christianity are dubious at best. The Declaration is clearly deistic when read in its own historical context and it was co-authored by America's two most strongly deistic founders.

    Jefferson's intent was clear. And now it is accepted law: gov't and religion should not be combined!
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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Really

    In his 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptists, Thomas Jefferson made clear that the purpose of the First Amendment was to establish a "wall of separation" between Church and State in order to protect individuals' right of conscience.

    Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists (June 1998) - Library of Congress Information Bulletin

    Well, that certainly seems pretty clear where Jefferson stood on this issue, doncha think?

    In addition, the U.S. constitution says:

    The Constitution says, re: taking the Oath of Office:

    Hmm... no mention of any... "God", only the Constitution.

    Also, the Bill Of Rights was quickly amended to the Constitution in order to protect the rights of citizens because the original Constitution primarily just defined the powers of government. The third Article of the Bill of Rights (which became the first amendment) states:

    There are four references to a "deity" found in the Declaration of Independence: "Nature's God," "Creator," "Supreme Judge," and "Divine Providence." That's it.

    There was a reference to Christianity in Thomas Jefferson's first draft of the Declaration of Independence, which was not positive at all. Jefferson's rough draft said:

    So, claims that references to a deity in the Declaration of Independence prove that America was founded on Christianity are dubious at best. The Declaration is clearly deistic when read in its own historical context and it was co-authored by America's two most strongly deistic founders.

    Jefferson's intent was clear. And now it is accepted law: gov't and religion should not be combined!
    #1 No one has said America was founded on Christianity, not a soul.

    #2 The letter was to convince a Muslim government we did not care about the religion they followed. This so they would sign the treaty of Tripoli.

    The wording of the Constitution does not in any way back up the hog wash you have put forth.

    #3 Yes, that's it; 4 times.

    You are trying to ignore the history behind the choices and accuse people of saying things they did not say.

    Yea for silliness.
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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    The only ones revising history are the 5 members of the TX Board of Education so it will fit their political leanings.
    Actually its 10. There are 5 that are democrats. So in effect you are correct.

    The best examples are the UN and Thomas Jefferson. If you teach that the UN is a threat to US sovereignty, then you're automatically injecting your opinion. What you should be doing is teaching about the UN and its function, you could ASK students if THEY think it's a threat to US sovereignty as part of a paper.[/quote]

    Once again you aren't reading carefully.

    They also required that public school students in Texas evaluate efforts by global organizations such as the United Nations to undermine U.S. sovereignty.

    McLeroy offered the amendment requiring students to evaluate efforts by global organizations including the U.N. to undermine U.S. sovereignty, saying they threatened individual liberty and freedom.


    You are the one who wants to shut down independent thought by shutting down any talk that might paint the UN in a bad light. What's next for you, book burnings?

    If you wanted to talk about Jefferson, you would have students read his work and then ask them to write about Jefferson and his take on the Separation of Church and State. Ignoring his writings is lying by omission.

    That's called teaching critical thinking.
    The only lying is on your side.

    Jefferson was not an agnostic or deist that your side continually lies about.

    His own words prove he is a Christian.

    Jefferson wrote, "I am a Christian in the only sense in which He wished anyone to be: sincerely attached to His doctrines in preference to all others. ... I am a real Christian -- that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."

    Once again the liberal lies are exposed. You want to read Jefferson's writings? Then read that. He never EVER said he was a deist or agnostic. That is the lies we are trying to expose from your side.

    What the TX Board of Education has done has turned their political opinion into FACT.

    If you were truly for proper education you wouldn't fight liberal bias by inserting conservative bias in its place. You and the TX BoE simply want your views to become facts to young people.

    This is a bigger bastardization to education than anything I sat through (and I grew up in a VERY conservative school district; where slavery was pretty much ignored and WW2 was taught with patriotic songs).
    The funny thing about you and most of the other liberals on here is you keep claiming their is a bias but I'm the only one giving you concrete examples of the liberal lies specific in history.
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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    They also required that public school students in Texas evaluate efforts by global organizations such as the United Nations to undermine U.S. sovereignty.
    That is making a judgment that those organizations are trying to undermine US sovereignty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is making a judgment that those organizations are trying to undermine US sovereignty.
    Based on fact.

    Try looking up the UN's effort's to force the US to participate in a global court for its soldiers.

    And that is but one example. Your side wants to repress open debate on the UN. Why is that?
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