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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Accept that they apply.




    Oh, you will enjoy learning that the class is an elective and is not oriented around students practicing any religion.



    Right, I fully acknowledge this. Texas is pushing a Conservative agenda, and that's a good thing because Conservatism is a good thing.



    The law clearly states that other classes regarding other religious texts are just as permissible so long as the minimum enrollment number required for any class is met. Personally I would love a class on Hebrew which used the Torah and a class on the Rig Veda. Here in SD I would be open to sending my sons to a class on the oral traditions of the Lakota and/or Suix.







    No one is pushing any religion. The Bible is not a religion



    Oh, then why do speak as though you didn't know that?



    Young Earth Creationism isn't in the Bile. It's an interpretation which I, a Christian, argue against.



    So any fictional text should be left out of the curriculum regardless of it's cultural significance? I confess I didn't enjoy Shakespeare...



    You have that right, they need to be watched, and you need to learn from them. Conservatives know better than liberals, categorically. Whether Conservative Democrat or Conservative Republican, our rendering of history is accurate, and our economic and social policies have been proven to help a people flourish when implemented. Liberal policies fail every single time their tried; take Social Security and Segregation as examples of failed Liberal policies.

    Most of the people who volunteer to serve in the military which protects you are Christians, so you might want to curb your bias against the book their ideals are recorded in.
    The Bible is nothing but religion.

    I am a conservative in many areas, fiscally, militarily, but liberal on personal rights. But that;s neither here nor there.

    I would have a bias against the teaching on any single particular religious text to school kids. It should be all or none.


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    So any fictional text should be left out of the curriculum regardless of it's cultural significance? I confess I didn't enjoy Shakespeare...
    My point was that the board is directing adding text to some books that is historically inaccurate. Those books are not supposed to be fiction.

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    Most of the people who volunteer to serve in the military which protects you are Christians, so you might want to curb your bias against the book their ideals are recorded in
    Silly to bring up the military, implying that I'm demeaning them or their religion somehow. Assinine Republican ploy. Non sequitor.

    And you'll notice, if you look back a few posts, I didn't say anything negative about the Bible, only about some of the people in Texas who want to promote it in schools.
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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    Dude, finally you read the letter. Very good.

    And I agree an elective class on the history of the Bible is fine, as long as they review the books of the other important religions too.

    If the elective class only studies the Bible, then the agenda is obviously promotion of the Bible.
    OK for the last time (not directed at you in particular) the class according to the law is a study of the history OF THE BIBLE and it's INFLUENCE ON WESTERN CIVILIZATION. Not the history IN the Bible.

    The problem is not the class, it is the improper or non existent training for the teachers.

    No reason to cover anything else in this class. Jerry pretty much covered that.
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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    My point was that the board is directing adding text to some books that is historically inaccurate. Those books are not supposed to be fiction.
    It's only innacuret because you need it to innacuret.

    You aren't giveng any examples, so we have to take the word of whomever has more authority on the matter, which is either you, some no-name anon from teh interwbs, or officials who's credentials can be independantly verified.

    When you place your word against theirs, you lose every time.

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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    OK for the last time (not directed at you in particular) the class according to the law is a study of the history OF THE BIBLE and it's INFLUENCE ON WESTERN CIVILIZATION. Not the history IN the Bible.

    The problem is not the class, it is the improper or non existent training for the teachers.

    No reason to cover anything else in this class. Jerry pretty much covered that.
    According to tryreading if you teach about the history of slavery you are therefore endorsing slavery.

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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by filfilksq View Post
    I don't really get the purpose behind changing the abbreviations in the first place. I mean, it's still the same calendar, still counting from the same year 0-point. Do people have similar misgivings about using the days of the week (Norse mythology) or names of planets (Roman mythology)?
    You mean from Year 1 -- there was no year 0, partly because that concept had not reached Europe yet.
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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Yep. And Texas still won its independence from Mexico.
    And the border according to the treaty that ended that war is still the Rio Grande, I presume?
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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's only innacuret because you need it to innacuret.

    You aren't giveng any examples, so we have to take the word of whomever has more authority on the matter, which is either you, some no-name anon from teh interwbs, or officials who's credentials can be independantly verified.

    When you place your word against theirs, you lose every time.
    There has been plenty written about the proposed historical changes. I'm sure you've read about this, or you wouldn't be arguing here.
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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    According to tryreading if you teach about the history of slavery you are therefore endorsing slavery.
    Not a proper analogy (again). The promotion/non-promotion of religion is a 1st Amendment concern.
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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    Not a proper analogy (again). The promotion/non-promotion of religion is a 1st Amendment concern.
    The class is not unconstitutional. So it is a good analogy as it has nothing at all to do with a state sanctioned religion being taught in a public school.

    It is an elective class. It is not a Bible study or church service. It is a simple historical reference class on one of the most influential books of ours or any time.
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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    And the border according to the treaty that ended that war is still the Rio Grande, I presume?
    Yes but it actually went further north than the current border.
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