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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Yep. And Texas still won its independence from Mexico.
    That reminds me of a funny situation. I've a friend who can fairly be described as a "rabid" La Rasa type. Give Texas and all other lands "stolen" from Mexico back to Mexico type of guy. He used to frequently go on a harangue about it, until one day when I'd had a few cocktails. He finished his lil speech, I turned to him and asked him a simple question. Based upon his logic, could we safely assume that he was all for giving Mexico back to Spain?

    He does not go on his lil harangue around me anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Religion doesn't need to be wiped away from everyday life, but the government has no place in providing anyone with any kind of religion. If you want religion, you have the means to seek it out yourself. No need for the government to support one religion or another.
    An elective high school Bible class is not breaking any law and is not unconstitutional in any way.

    The government is also giving money to faith based groups. Again no challenge from anyone in the court as far as I know.

    So where is this wall?
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    No. It gives HIS explanation to the Baptist church he was righting to. He was not around when it was penned and voted on. He was in France.

    He wrote the letter in 1802 when he was President, and the explanation of the letter was written to his attorney general, not to the church.



    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I am not arguing the intent of any author. I am arguing the truth behind the history and the false parts that have been used as an excuse to wipe religion, or at least try to from everyday life.
    Religion hasn't been wiped from anything. There are plenty of religious people in government, and their individual religious beliefs are not interfered with.

    But government shouldn't be used to promote any of the symbols, rites, or dogma of religion with taxpayer money.
    Do not write in this space!

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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    An elective high school Bible class is not breaking any law and is not unconstitutional in any way.

    The government is also giving money to faith based groups. Again no challenge from anyone in the court as far as I know.

    So where is this wall?
    I think the class should be "world religions" instead of just the Bible.

    Also the government giving money to faith based groups is BS. I don't want my tax dollars going into tax exempt institutions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Loin View Post
    That reminds me of a funny situation. I've a friend who can fairly be described as a "rabid" La Rasa type. Give Texas and all other lands "stolen" from Mexico back to Mexico type of guy. He used to frequently go on a harangue about it, until one day when I'd had a few cocktails. He finished his lil speech, I turned to him and asked him a simple question. Based upon his logic, could we safely assume that he was all for giving Mexico back to Spain?

    He does not go on his lil harangue around me anymore.
    LOL Logic at a bar. How dare you
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    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    He wrote the letter in 1802 when he was President, and the explanation of the letter was written to his attorney general, not to the church.
    Wrong again. He wrote it to the Baptists themselves:

    To messers. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

    Gentlemen

    The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.

    Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

    I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

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    Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists (June 1998) - Library of Congress Information Bulletin

    Even better once again he reiterates his faith and belief in God.
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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I think the class should be "world religions" instead of just the Bible.

    Also the government giving money to faith based groups is BS. I don't want my tax dollars going into tax exempt institutions.
    They already have "comparative religion" classes. The people of Texas want a Bible class.
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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    He wrote the letter in 1802 when he was President, and the explanation of the letter was written to his attorney general, not to the church.
    Jefferson wrote a letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802 to answer a letter from them written in October 1801. So why would he send it to his attorney?

    The Danbury Baptists were a religious minority in Connecticut, and they complained that in their state, the religious liberties they enjoyed were not seen as immutable rights, but as privileges granted by the legislature as "favors granted." Jefferson's reply did not address their concerns about problems with state establishment of religion - only of establishment on the national level.

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    Religion hasn't been wiped from anything. There are plenty of religious people in government, and their individual religious beliefs are not interfered with.
    And yet if a public office sponsors a menorah or nativity, the militant atheists get all butt hurt.

    Yes they are trying to wipe every aspect from public life.

    But government shouldn't be used to promote any of the symbols, rites, or dogma of religion with taxpayer money.[/QUOTE]
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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    "In final edits leading up to the vote, conservatives rejected language to modernize the classification of historic periods to B.C.E. and C.E. from the traditional B.C. and A.D."

    Works for me, considering that the term Anno Domini can be tied to specific mythological event, and the term C.E. is tied to the EXACT SAME mythological event without actually saying so.

    So, what's the point about CE?

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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Heaven forbid that we actually teach what the influences of our Founding Fathers were...
    "And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors." –Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

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