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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Well... 9 people on the Texas Board Believe that.

    But the rest of us know this country, its Constitution was based on the Roman Republic with influence from Jonh Locke and the Mangna Carta.

    By the rest of us, I mean, anyone who took a U.S. History class. But I guess, students taking U.S. History in texas high schools will get the fringe-right fantasy version.
    The language of the Constution and the Declaration of Independence say otherwise. Also, a study of the lives of the various founding father's indicates a completely different story.

    Christian society did influence them whether you like it or not. Calling it a "fringe-right fantasy version" until you choke on the repetition is not going to change fact.

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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

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    Refusal to acknowledge the role of religion in the works of the founding fathers.
    Acknowledged.

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    Harsher grading on "politically incorrect" work despite it being accurate.
    Occasionally, this is useful, but I agree, for the most part, this is pretty stupid.

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    Injection of anti-American and anti-Christian rhetoric into lesson plans.
    Could you explain a little bit more on this? I think that it can be useful to view what others think of us, like viewing the sentiments that Iranians presented during the hostage crises. IMO, it helps build a sense of nationalism, an idea of America vs. them.

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    Bias in presenting the civil rights movement and who was behind it. Injection of racially divisive rhetoric into lesson plans.
    Yeah, not going to argue that one. I personally wouldn't mind learning about some of the darker sides of the Civil Rights movements. And, again, the rhetoric is necessary, because exposure is a key part of understanding, and unity.
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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Well... 9 people on the Texas Board Believe that.
    Not really, but keep making up stories based on hot air.

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    But the rest of us know this country, its Constitution was based on the Roman Republic with influence from Jonh Locke and the Mangna Carta.
    As well as Christianity. To deny it's influence is just closing your eyes to history.

    You and ADK are so closed minded you think anytime someone says Christian culture and society etc had an influence on our country is saying "people believe this country is based on Christian beliefs" this is not the case.

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    By the rest of us, I mean, anyone who took a U.S. History class. But I guess, students taking U.S. History in texas high schools will get the fringe-right fantasy version.
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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    I've got to know...whats the reasoning that religion didn't influence the founding fathers?
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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Acknowledged.
    Not really. Especially not by the time you get into college.

    Occasionally, this is useful, but I agree, for the most part, this is pretty stupid.



    Could you explain a little bit more on this? I think that it can be useful to view what others think of us, like viewing the sentiments that Iranians presented during the hostage crises. IMO, it helps build a sense of nationalism, an idea of America vs. them.
    I don't think it's necessarily bad to understand how others view us but I have gone into classrooms here at Berendo Middle School and seen Che Guevera posters displayed prominently in classrooms. There's also a tendancy by faculty to take a decidedly anti-American stance when it comes to current events. I know that anecdotal evidence is pretty irrelevant to a debate, but I will share this with you: I had a US History teacher in high school who gave us a slide show of Japanese internment camps in the US but never once mentioned the atrocities the Japanese were perpetrating in Manchuria and other districts of China at the same time. Also, the pure evil that was occuring in Germany took a back seat to the fact that we dropped the bomb on Japan.

    I don't think my experience was at all singular or unique.

    Yeah, not going to argue that one. I personally wouldn't mind learning about some of the darker sides of the Civil Rights movements. And, again, the rhetoric is necessary, because exposure is a key part of understanding, and unity.
    I think it should be discussed. Don't get me wrong; I have zero opposition to exposure to the truth even when the truth is ugly. However, I don't think it should be taught with an implication that it's still the way of the world or that anyone in that class at that time has any right to be butthurt with the student of a different race sitting right next to them.

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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Refusal to acknowledge the role of religion in the works of the founding fathers. Harsher grading on "politically incorrect" work despite it being accurate. Injection of anti-American and anti-Christian rhetoric into lesson plans. Bias in presenting the civil rights movement and who was behind it. Injection of racially divisive rhetoric into lesson plans.

    I could go on but that's enough to start with.
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    Placing FDR (and to a lesser extent, Kennedy) on a high alter, teaching the Great Depression as a failure of the free market and Hoover as a laize-fair president, pushing isolationism by painting everything bad as the fault of an American action (two of my previous history teachers have honestly taught as fact that America was responsible for the Khmer Rouge) plus generally emphasizing everything bad America has ever done, conveniently passing over things like Article 1 Section 8, etc. The two worst things when it comes to lefty slant are the Great Depression and Cold War; I'm starting to come around to the view that the teachers, rather than teaching history, should just provide the cold, hard facts, and let the students research things like the causation behind them. It's pretty much impossible to teach causation without having some sort of slant. Little details count, and there are always some that are left out.

    That's just history, too. Not even to mention all of the environmental BS they push on us in science class.

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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post

    I don't think it's necessarily bad to understand how others view us but I have gone into classrooms here at Berendo Middle School and seen Che Guevera posters displayed prominently in classrooms. There's also a tendancy by faculty to take a decidedly anti-American stance when it comes to current events. I know that anecdotal evidence is pretty irrelevant to a debate, but I will share this with you: I had a US History teacher in high school who gave us a slide show of Japanese internment camps in the US but never once mentioned the atrocities the Japanese were perpetrating in Manchuria and other districts of China at the same time. Also, the pure evil that was occuring in Germany took a back seat to the fact that we dropped the bomb on Japan.

    I don't think my experience was at all singular or unique.
    Just want to discuss this part of your post. The Che Guevera poster is a bad idea in a public school. As far as the internment camps, I can see the argument the teacher might make. By putting the two together, it might suggest that somehow the interment camps where justified, or be viewed as making an excuse for them. The internment camps where simply wrong. Was this from when you attended school? Where the Japanese atrocities mentioned maybe an earlier day?

    The last comment I want to make is that there is a difference between a teacher imposing his views, and a textbook doing it. Neither is appropriate, but the textbook reaches a whole lot more kids, and is I think seen as more authoritative.
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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Continued:

    Placing FDR (and to a lesser extent, Kennedy) on a high alter, teaching the Great Depression as a failure of the free market and Hoover as a laize-fair president, pushing isolationism by painting everything bad as the fault of an American action (two of my previous history teachers have honestly taught as fact that America was responsible for the Khmer Rouge) plus generally emphasizing everything bad America has ever done, conveniently passing over things like Article 1 Section 8, etc. The two worst things when it comes to lefty slant are the Great Depression and Cold War; I'm starting to come around to the view that the teachers, rather than teaching history, should just provide the cold, hard facts, and let the students research things like the causation behind them. It's pretty much impossible to teach causation without having some sort of slant. Little details count, and there are always some that are left out.

    That's just history, too. Not even to mention all of the environmental BS they push on us in science class.
    I agree with you on the Depression and how it was taught as a total collapse of the free market. And they do tend, along with history books, to elevate FDR to a place that is almost sacrosanct. Same thing with Kennedy, but always just assumed that it was the result of him having been assassinated and the nostalgia of that era in them.

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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I agree with you on the Depression and how it was taught as a total collapse of the free market. And they do tend, along with history books, to elevate FDR to a place that is almost sacrosanct. Same thing with Kennedy, but always just assumed that it was the result of him having been assassinated and the nostalgia of that era in them.
    With Kennedy I really think that is a big part of his mystique. No one really talks poorly of him because it just would not feel right. Hell, the textbooks I used in high school where written by people who probably remembered clearly where they where when they heard he was killed.

    I will say that I never understood any of his mystique until I read Thirteen Days, which kinda led me to develop a real admiration for his handling at least of the missile crisis.
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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Just want to discuss this part of your post. The Che Guevera poster is a bad idea in a public school. As far as the internment camps, I can see the argument the teacher might make. By putting the two together, it might suggest that somehow the interment camps where justified, or be viewed as making an excuse for them. The internment camps where simply wrong. Was this from when you attended school? Where the Japanese atrocities mentioned maybe an earlier day?

    The last comment I want to make is that there is a difference between a teacher imposing his views, and a textbook doing it. Neither is appropriate, but the textbook reaches a whole lot more kids, and is I think seen as more authoritative.
    No, she seriously got out a slide show of the internment camps and went on for almost an entire class about them. Now, I don't think the camps were right either and I don't think they should be glossed over. But it was presented like we just decided we didn't like the yellow people and rounded them all up and treated them EXACTLY like the Nazis treated the Jews, which wasn't even close to accurate. The camps were a reaction to a devastating attack on our military and, while they weren't right or Constitutional or even justified, they were not an act of pure evil perpetrated on a people for the advancement of a political agenda and racial cleansing.

    The atrocities of Japan in China and the South Pacific were never once mentioned. I came away from that class as a junior in high school having no concept of the fact that Japan was on a rampage of oppression, murder, rape, and destruction throughout the east until I read a history of WW2 later that year (which was incidentally inspired when I got a copy of Axis and Allies and wanted to know why Japan started with so many territories in China).

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