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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Only it is.
    No, it's not.

    It's a clear violation of the wall between church and state.
    What? When did text book publishers become the State?

    I mean we can jerk each other off all day and pretend like creationism is not religion but at the end of the day it is. Intelligent designer, creator - all attempts to water down the word 'God'.
    Show me where States were barred from engaging in religious instruction in school. Not the Federal Government, but States.

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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Ha, it's pretty funny that nobody cares how strong a lefty slant history is taught with here in Virginia and I'm sure lots of other places, but when it's done with a righty slant instead it's an outrage.

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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Ha, it's pretty funny that nobody cares how strong a lefty slant history is taught with here in Virginia and I'm sure lots of other places, but when it's done with a righty slant instead it's an outrage.
    Show me a story documenting this, I will care. Slanting history for political reasons is bad no matter who does it.
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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Hey, guys, given the Texans credit... they did change their minds and finally decide Thomas Jefferson was to be included in U.S. History... bunch of progressive, godless, libs.

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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Hey, guys, given the Texans credit... they did change their minds and finally decide Thomas Jefferson was to be included in U.S. History... bunch of progressive, godless, libs.
    Chuckle, since they never were going to remove Thomas Jefferson from U.S. history we'll call that a typical hazelnut bromide. Dead on arrival and devoid of any intelligent point or honesty.

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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No wall exists at that level.
    What level? You mean the level of federally funded Texas school board level?

    It is a misnomer.The Federal government is not passing a law declaring any religion to be sanctioned by Texas. Texas is also passing no law infringing on anyones rights.
    It doesn't have to. It simply has to give preference to one religion specifically.

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    Show me where States were barred from engaging in religious instruction in school. Not the Federal Government, but States.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorpo...Bill_of_Rights)

    The incorporation of the Bill of Rights (or incorporation for short) is the process by which American courts have applied portions of the U.S. Bill of Rights to the states. In the past, the Bill of Rights was held only to apply to the federal government. Under the incorporation doctrine, certain provisions of the Bill of Rights now also apply to the states, by virtue of the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution.
    Prior to the ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment and the development of the incorporation doctrine, in 1833 the Supreme Court held in Barron v. Baltimore that the Bill of Rights applied only to the federal, but not any state, government. Even years after the ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment the Supreme Court in United States v. Cruikshank, still held that the First and Second Amendment did not apply to state governments. However, beginning in the 1890s, a series of United States Supreme Court decisions interpreted the Fourteenth Amendment to "incorporate" most portions of the Bill of Rights, making these portions, for the first time, enforceable against the state governments.
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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What level? You mean the level of federally funded Texas school board level?
    Yes. No law being passed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It doesn't have to. It simply has to give preference to one religion specifically.
    Please point out the law which is doing this in this case?

    What does the Bill of Rights have to do with this? No one is passing a law regarding religion or a federal or state sanctioned religion.
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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Will FactCheck.org and PolitiFact be reviewing the new textbooks?

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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I was not talking about that letter.

    Two different incidents. I was talking about 1797 the United States Senate ratified a treaty with Tripoli that stated in Article 11:

    "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;"

    As for the Danbury letter, this articles pretty much clears up what really happened.

    We must confront the uncomfortable fact that, for much of American history, the phrase "separation of church and state" and its attendant metaphoric formulation, "a wall of separation," have often been expressions of exclusion, intolerance, and bigotry. These phrases have been used to silence people and communities of faith and to exclude them from full participation in public life.

    In the late 18th and early 19th centuries, establishmentarians sought to frighten Americans by deliberately mischaracterizing the religious dissenters' aspirations for disestablishment and liberty of conscience as advocacy for a separation of religion from public life that would inevitably lead to political atheism and rampant licentiousness. This was a political smear. Religious dissenters, indeed, agitated for disestablishment, but like most Americans, they did not wish to separate religious values from public life and policy.

    In the bitter presidential campaign of 1800, Jeffersonian Republicans cynically advocated the rhetoric and policy of separation, not to promote religious worship and expression, but to silence the Federalist clergy who had vigorously denounced Jefferson as an infidel and atheist. (Two centuries later, the American Civil Liberties Union and its allies continue to use these phrases to silence people and communities of faith that seek to participate in the public marketplace of ideas armed with ideas informed by spiritual values.)
    - Daniel L. Dreisbach, D.Phil. (Oxford University) and J.D. (University of Virginia), is a Professor of Justice, Law, and Society at American University in Washington, D.C. He is the author of Thomas Jefferson and the Wall of Separation Between Church and State (New York University Press, 2002).
    Doesn't clear anything up. You have Jefferson's intent below, in his own words to his attorney general at the time of the penning of the letter.

    Your info from 2002 isn't going to change Jefferson's intent.

    Anyway, post a link.
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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Will FactCheck.org and PolitiFact be reviewing the new textbooks?
    Like you care, though I'm certain both can do a better job than you did. Texas wanted to remove Thomas Jefferson from American history! Not only false, but one of the more asinine DOA goads made at DP today. But then you are chock full of that kind of drek.
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