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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I knew when they did this that it was going to become a debate almost exclusively about Thomas Jefferson's beliefs and importance.
    That seems to be one of the major grievances. Here's another:

    Texas School Board Set to Vote on Challenge to Evolution - WSJ.com

    Dr. McLeroy believes that God created the earth less than 10,000 years ago. If the new curriculum passes, he says he will insist that high-school biology textbooks point out specific aspects of the fossil record that, in his view, undermine the theory that all life on Earth is descended from primitive scraps of genetic material that first emerged in the primordial muck about 3.9 billion years ago.

    He also wants the texts to make the case that individual cells are far too complex to have evolved by chance mutation and natural selection, an argument popular with those who believe an intelligent designer created the universe.

    The textbooks will "have to say that there's a problem with evolution -- because there is," said Dr. McLeroy, a dentist. "We need to be honest with the kids."

    The vast majority of scientists accept evolution as the best explanation for the diversity of life on earth.
    A dentist is dictating what should be taught in science classes. This 'revising' by the Texas school board is an attack on human knowledge by the religious right. Nothing more. Nothing less.
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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    He was Important to the history of this country. I think politically speaking he was ahead of his time. Other than this, people act like he was THE founding father, he was not. He was one of many that had differing views.

    He is pretty much the only one that said anything at all about the "wall of separation" so naturally he would come up.
    The fact that it's such a point of contention to both sides indicates that several views of Thomas Jefferson's beliefs have been given exposure in our educations and this whole thing is completely blown out of proportion.

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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Well, duhh...
    Duh... has one 'h'.

    Would you mind listing the names and educational backgrounds of the school board--degrees, teaching experience, etc.??

    Also, could you note the board member(s) who purposed removing the word slave from 'slave trade'?

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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    A dentist is dictating what should be taught in science classes. This 'revising' by the Texas school board is an attack on human knowledge by the religious right. Nothing more. Nothing less.
    But you know what? If that's what Texas is supporting, then that's their right. Their board of education is making these decisions and if they don't want these decisions made, then they will vote in a new board.

    The evolution/Intelligent Design thing is just stupid but I find it very hard to believe that any kid today won't be exposed to evolution just because they have some Intelligent Design nonsense taught alongside it. Besides, when they go to college, kids have an uncanny knack for being their own persons and defining their own beliefs.

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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    But you know what? If that's what Texas is supporting, then that's their right.
    That is not the problem though. And if the new curriculum affected Texas only, then you'd have a point. But since it doesn't. You don't. The problem is in how Texas curriculums dictate how the majority of textbooks for a large percentage of school boards will be printed in other states.

    Their board of education is making these decisions and if they don't want these decisions made, then they will vote in a new board.

    The evolution/Intelligent Design thing is just stupid but I find it very hard to believe that any kid today won't be exposed to evolution just because they have some Intelligent Design nonsense taught alongside it. Besides, when they go to college, kids have an uncanny knack for being their own persons and defining their own beliefs.
    Sigh. If schools weren't the place where people create their first base of information I'd agree. But since they don't it's not. It's bad enough that so many Americans believe there is some sort of controversy regarding evolution among scientists. It's worse that 60% refuse to admit evolution as anything other than a fact.

    On Darwin?s Birthday, Only 4 in 10 Believe in Evolution

    PRINCETON, NJ -- On the eve of the 200th anniversary of Charles Darwin's birth, a new Gallup Poll shows that only 39% of Americans say they "believe in the theory of evolution," while a quarter say they do not believe in the theory, and another 36% don't have an opinion either way. These attitudes are strongly related to education and, to an even greater degree, religiosity.
    It's not about exposure. It's about what kids are taught in schools. They shouldn't be taught pseudoscience which cannot be supported with scientific evidence of any kind.
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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    But you know what? If that's what Texas is supporting, then that's their right. Their board of education is making these decisions and if they don't want these decisions made, then they will vote in a new board.

    The evolution/Intelligent Design thing is just stupid but I find it very hard to believe that any kid today won't be exposed to evolution just because they have some Intelligent Design nonsense taught alongside it. Besides, when they go to college, kids have an uncanny knack for being their own persons and defining their own beliefs.
    I don't think any one is saying they don't have the right. What I think we are saying is that they should not do things like this. Saying that the Texas board should not push their stupid anti-evolution ideas(not theories) in a science class is not saying they cannot do it, only that it is a bad idea.
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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That is not the problem though. And if the new curriculum affected Texas only, then you'd have a point. But since it doesn't. You don't. The problem is in how Texas curriculums dictate how the majority of textbooks for another 60% of school boards will be printed.
    That's not Texas's problem.

    Sigh. If schools weren't the place where people create their first base of information I'd agree. But since they don't it's not. It's bad enough that so many Americans believe there is some sort of controversy regarding evolution among scientists. It's worse that 60% refuse to admit evolution as anything other than a fact.

    On Darwin?s Birthday, Only 4 in 10 Believe in Evolution
    Well you just have to deal with that, don't you? They are free to believe as they wish and to raise their children according to their own traditions and beliefs.

    It's not about exposure. It's about what kids are taught in schools. They shouldn't be taught pseudoscience which cannot be supported with scientific evidence of any kind.
    Too bad. Schools are a function of the community and the community has the right to exert influence over the educations of its children. Texas is well within its rights to do what it is doing. IF you don't like it, don't send your kid to school in Texas or send them to a private school that teaches what you want. Or...homeschool.
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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    That's not Texas's problem.
    Only it is. It's a clear violation of the wall between church and state. I mean we can jerk each other off all day and pretend like creationism is not religion but at the end of the day it is. Intelligent designer, creator - all attempts to water down the word 'God'.
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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I don't think any one is saying they don't have the right. What I think we are saying is that they should not do things like this. Saying that the Texas board should not push their stupid anti-evolution ideas(not theories) in a science class is not saying they cannot do it, only that it is a bad idea.
    I've already agreed that it's a bad idea.

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    Re: Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Only it is. It's a clear violation of the wall between church and state. I mean we can jerk each other off all day and pretend like creationism is not religion but at the end of the day it is. Intelligent designer, creator - all attempts to water down the word 'God'.
    No wall exists at that level. It is a misnomer. The Federal government is not passing a law declaring any religion to be sanctioned by Texas. Texas is also passing no law infringing on anyones rights.
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