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Texas board adopts new social studies curriculum

Not a proper analogy (again). The promotion/non-promotion of religion is a 1st Amendment concern.

Many mis- interpret the Constitution, in fact probably along the same lines as do the scriptures.


j-mac
 
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Not a proper analogy (again). The promotion/non-promotion of religion is a 1st Amendment concern.

The the promotion/non-promotion of slavary is a 14th amendment issue.
 
Jefferson and his protégé. A drunk and slave owner and his pupil.
Your point? Washington owned slaves too. That was the social norm for the wealthy at the time. I can find plenty of similar quotes from the other founders too. None of them were fundamentalists, they were inspired mainly by the Enlightenment and Age of Reason. Sure most of them believed in a personal god, that was also the social norm for the time, plus the theory of evolution didn't even exist yet.


We should definitely listen to them.
Yeah we shouldn't listen to the author of the Declaration of Independance just because he wasn't a fundamentalist like yourself. But we should listen to you vs. Jefferson? That's rich.

When it came to political thinking he was good, as a man, not so much.
I like how you make it your place to attack the character of one of our Founders just because he doesn't share your religious views.
 
Your point? Washington owned slaves too. That was the social norm for the wealthy at the time. I can find plenty of similar quotes from the other founders too. None of them were fundamentalists, they were inspired mainly by the Enlightenment and Age of Reason. Sure most of them believed in a personal god, that was also the social norm for the time, plus the theory of evolution didn't even exist yet.

This has nothing to do with my meaning or post.

Thomas Jefferson was a great man, but a personal failure. This was my point.

Yeah we shouldn't listen to the author of the Declaration of Independance just because he wasn't a fundamentalist like yourself. But we should listen to you vs. Jefferson? That's rich.

This is off topic and again has little to do with the meaning of my post.

I like how you make it your place to attack the character of one of our Founders just because he doesn't share your religious views.

Please point out for us how my religious views had anything even remotely to do with this thread. I have in fact stated my views have nothing to do with the thread or anything I posted.

Keep flailing about in the dark though.
 
It is a settled issue.

As is the 1st Amendment, though you seem to be unaware of that fact.

Offering an elective on the cultural impact of the bible does not violate the 1st.

If you can perhaps provide hard evidence that such a class establishes a national religion or gives a church (name names) municipal power, then and only then will I be willing to reconsider my position.

Until you can provide actual proof, however, you may as well be arguing against evolution.
 
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Many mis- interpret the Constitution, in fact probably along the same lines as do the scriptures.


j-mac

And many who think they got it right are the very same ones who got it wrong. ;)
 
As is the 1st Amendment, though you seem to be unaware of that fact.

Offering an elective on the cultural impact of the bible does not violate the 1st.


If you can perhaps provide hard evidence that such a class establishes a national religion or gives a church (name names) municipal power, then and only then will I be willing to reconsider my position.

Until you can provide actual proof, however, you may as well be arguing against evolution.


Slavery is settled, but people constantly chop away at separation.

The Texas thing is a foot in the door.

i can't post on this subject any more tonight. It's complicated and I'm too tired and zoning out. Maybe we can pick up tomorrow or Tuesday, if necessary.
 
One other response to you.

Thomas Jefferson once wrote a book coined 'The Jefferson Bible.' He called it The Life And Times Of Jesus Christ, if I remember right.

In this book, Jefferson re-wrote the story of Jesus, omitting all reference to divinity and the performing of miracles. So, in his book, Jesus was a good man with an admirable philosophy, but not the son of God.

Would any Christian you know or have ever known have done this editing to the story of Jesus?

You are more than welcome to prove your assertions exactly as you made them. Please prove that he wrote his Bible to show that God does not exist.
 
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Good.



Also, good. It is true in many areas.



Heaven forbid that we actually teach what the influences of our Founding Fathers were...



Heaven forbid that we teach students what the government of the US REALLY is...



Heaven forbid we actually teach some BASIC economic understanding...



Well, duhh...

I hope you were sarcastic..

This is scary..

The big problem with teaching OPINIONS in schools
IS THAT IS OPINIONS

Opinions == not facts

Not facts being tought == misinformation

Misinformation == progogadna

Propoganda == **** this I am leaving this ****ed up nation..

I cant even post a proper resoponce I am so angry..
 
You are more than welcome to prove your assertions exactly as you made them. Please prove that he wrote his Bible to show that God does not exist.
He didn't believe that Jesus was God. I don't know whether he believe in "a god" or not, but he didn't believe that Jesus was the Son of God, so in the modern conservative sense, he wasn't a Christian.
 
You are more than welcome to prove your assertions exactly as you made them. Please prove that he wrote his Bible to show that God does not exist.

Read what Toothpicvic said. Your request is irrelevant to anything that's been said here. Please read the thread again.
 
I hope you were sarcastic..

This is scary..

The big problem with teaching OPINIONS in schools
IS THAT IS OPINIONS

Opinions == not facts

Not facts being tought == misinformation

Misinformation == progogadna

Propoganda == **** this I am leaving this ****ed up nation..

I cant even post a proper resoponce I am so angry..

The first thing is B.C.E/C.E vs BC/AD. I don't see how any of this even matters. I would wager the average person does not know what either of those stand for. Many people believe Christ lived, and so we use it as a benchmark for history, there is no reason to change it. I don't see how changing it to BCE/CE really changes it because you'll just have to explain to people that it's just a politically correct form of the time after Christ's supposed Ministry.

The second thing it brings up is it mentions the UN undermining US authority in it's own nation. This CAN be a problem! Is it? I would say not right now. But this is fact that the UN has the ability to Undermine us. Albeit not much as it is but it is still there. So that is not opinion.

Judeo-Christian part is debatable. I would say they were religious and leave it at that. Separation of Church and State... I'm not sure what they are trying to say about that I will have to look that up I'll leave it alone for now (So hey we meet the first part that is actually opinion)

Hey guess what America is a "Constitutional Republic" not a "Democracy" this is cold hard fact! SO I don't see how it is evil evil (Conservative) Propaganda.

America DID get rid of the Gold Standard.... HEY Another Fact! It's not opinion after all :D And yes the US dollar has been in decline. ZOMG it's like it's a fact or something!

Has the curriculum been unfairly screwed? Maybe, maybe not. This, this is opinion.

So we got 1 (possibly 2) out of 5 that are BORDERLINE opinion (I'm not counting the last one because that is the article, they aren't teaching that sentence in the schools I would think).

And the 1 that we do have is basically semantics. So I really don't see why you have such a problem with this.
 
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